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Brook09



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:54 pm Reply with quote
What?

The Bpo also complained abt jojo's bizarre adevnture LMAO.

And not the violence, the nudity??

Like really, I'd rather think the violence would be a problem.
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Hoppy800



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:53 pm Reply with quote
Most of this boils down to being a parent, stop being lazy and letting the TV be the babysitter, literal hentai is airing for the first time, use your parental controls and common sense and not go for the ban option. As for the suggestion of a recording restriction, I'm pretty sure that's against Japan's constitution.
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JeffreySweeney



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:20 pm Reply with quote
Everytime I see ANN make an article about the BPO, I can't help but think, "Ok grandpa, time for your medication and then back to bed with you."
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Horsefellow



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:59 pm Reply with quote
Kind of laughing at the fact stuff like Yokai Watch and Detective Conan got outright complaints while Redo gets just "divided opinions".
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Electric Wooloo



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:25 pm Reply with quote
Horsefellow wrote:
Kind of laughing at the fact stuff like Yokai Watch and Detective Conan got outright complaints while Redo gets just "divided opinions".


Think you're misreading this. Redo of Healer also got complaints, this is about the BPO response to those complaints.
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jdnation



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:40 pm Reply with quote
Brook09 wrote:
And not the violence, the nudity??

Like really, I'd rather think the violence would be a problem.


People keep misunderstanding the reason why nudity and sex is more problematic than general violence.

Nudity and sex are visually and emotionally stimulating to anyone who looks at it, especially men, in whom it creates real measurable responses of lust and desire. Naturally this is morally problematic as the response is real.

Violence generally doesn't have the same effect where viewing violence makes people angrier or inclined towards violence.

Also where the more explicit the nudity the more the viewer is inclined to be turned on sexually, whereas generally more explicit violence tends to make people more adverse to viewing it and some naturally close their eyes or turn away in natural revulsion as a reaction. Whereas when it comes to sex it is generally done as a disciplined response due to moral offence and a desire to avoid lustful stimuli.

Then there's the whole mix of revulsion and stimulation that comes as a result of sexual violence, like rape, where naturally the topic becomes really uncomfortable, and therefore such events in a story need to be handled and portrayed very carefully, and it's usually best implied quickly with minimal visual information if it needs to be there.

I checked out some of the censored Redo episodes just to see what people were talking about. And as far as the first few episodes go, pretty much every sexual encounter is either outright rape or obviously manipulative. While the censored version shows nothing I imagine that the scenes are obviously there and this is a weird hentai whose thing is a grotesque fetish. The story set-up is itself interesting, and having a main character with justifiably warped motivations behind what he does is also fine, but the fact remains that it is still essentially lazy set-ups for manipulative exploitative sexual encounters that are intended as pornography. Some of it even laced with force and violence.

In my opinion this show does fail for that reason. Even the censored version highlights this problem. About 3-4 episodes in it pretty much devolved into a girl-of-the week sort of thing and I don't think it's worth pursuing further with any expectation of a developing story. Which is too bad as it does have a good premise and could be adapted in an adult way that could be interesting, but what's here ain't it.
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SigTheSauceMan



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:51 pm Reply with quote
Man where were these clowns when Isshuzoku Reviewers was airing? Anime hyper
There are literally far more graphic anime than this (not even including actual hentai).
They just found an easy target that doesn't require any actual thought to criticize.
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taishou*



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:07 pm Reply with quote
As somebody who grew up with only network and public television, it's wild to me that this sort of content is able to air on television at all, even during a late-night timeslot.
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SigTheSauceMan



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:22 pm Reply with quote
taishou* wrote:
As somebody who grew up with only network and public television, it's wild to me that this sort of content is able to air on television at all, even during a late-night timeslot.
I grew up with that too. Watching stuff like PBS on a maybe 12" CRT TV with a built-in VHS player. But hey, times have changed, as they always will. And the ENTIRE POINT of late-night programming is to air the stuff that kids can't watch.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:01 am Reply with quote
SigTheSauceMan wrote:
Man where were these clowns when Isshuzoku Reviewers was airing? Anime hyper
There are literally far more graphic anime than this (not even including actual hentai).

In terms of being sexually explicit? No. Interspecies Reviewers is on the same level, but no other anime title that's not outright hentai comes to mind as being even more sexually graphic.
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Rob19ny



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:55 am Reply with quote
Another BPO article about late night anime when they are airing in their appropriate time slot.

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"The content endorsing violence and sexual assault will have a big influence on youths.


Can't influence youths when youths shouldn't be up at late night watching tv.
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kgw



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:55 am Reply with quote
Conan and Yokai Watch are appear on "national" TV, at kids' time -with all the details of Japanese TV system., while Redo and other appear in midnight time: i.e. "not aimed at kids"... so it's natural a show which kids can watch "free" receives more criticism than midnight anime. But in any case, it's not excuse for letting go questionable aspects of anime (in their opinion, of course).

I mean, in this same web we have reviewers (ANN's and not) complaining or pointing "controversial" aspects of some anime series (the very Redo, Goblin Slayer...). I guess the Japanese public do it too, can't they?
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Snowcat



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:29 am Reply with quote
jdnation wrote:

Nudity and sex are visually and emotionally stimulating to anyone who looks at it, especially men, in whom it creates real measurable responses of lust and desire. Naturally this is morally problematic as the response is real.

I don't get why emotion/feelings like lust and desire are morally problematic. They are considered immoral in some religions but that's all.

I know that porn easily available on internet has consequences on some of the young public by distorting their vision of sexuality which is in construction at such age, but a late-night anime looks a little anecdotal compared to that. I would agree, it doesn't help either but, in my opinion, it's targeted because it's broadcasted on TV, that's all.
This kind of watchdog group look a little outdated with the internet...
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jdnation



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:56 pm Reply with quote
Snowcat wrote:
I don't get why emotion/feelings like lust and desire are morally problematic. They are considered immoral in some religions but that's all.


The point remains that such regulations are based on the consensus of the general public regarding what gets publicly aired on television that everyone has access to. If the general public has a strong moral apprehension to such content, then it gets curtailed either due to market consideration or shared social responsibility.

It works both ways. As public attitudes become more lax, so too do standards on public television. So a more liberal society will naturally have its attitudes reflected on screen as to what's permissible or not.

It's not simply something about belonging to any organized established religion. Even atheists in the past would also agree with the consensus against explicit nudity on television. Some will even do so now.

Even the phenomenon of 'cancel culture' and social media outrage today will see certain topics not portrayed in media going forward as studios make decisions to appease this bloc. In some cases, even retroactively as streaming services alter, place warning labels on or remove catalog content due to sensitivity issues. I'm not saying this is all good, but just that it is happening today just as it did before and it's not because of religion in the traditional sense.

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I know that porn easily available on internet has consequences on some of the young public by distorting their vision of sexuality which is in construction at such age, but a late-night anime looks a little anecdotal compared to that. I would agree, it doesn't help either but, in my opinion, it's targeted because it's broadcasted on TV, that's all.
This kind of watchdog group look a little outdated with the internet...


Yes, but I believe this story relates specifically to TV broadcasts and not just something on the internet. And the fact that some things can be accessed on the internet doesn't in turn make it acceptable for public television. There is plenty of illegal and highly questionable things online that obviously should not be depicted on television. Even streaming services can run afoul of this as Netflix found out with the film 'Cuties.'

And naturally when it comes to the internet age where pornography is accessible one could even argue further that given that pornography is a widespread problem that is affecting people's lives, that such temptations could be helped by public television taking measures not to flagrantly use nudity and lustful imagery in a lax manner that could lead to stimulating the viewer into a situation where they would be tempted to find further release by seeking online material that can often waste hours of their lives, create addictions and affect them psychologically in the long run, and even at times destroy relationships. And all it takes is that one moment or glimpse to turn someone on. Seeing violence on the other hand doesn't have that problem.

There's a good debate/discussion to be had about all this, and where lines should be drawn, and the general nature of how things shift back and forth with the times. What's considered bad on day, can be fine the next, and then even swing right back.
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Snowcat



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:05 pm Reply with quote
@jdnation: thanks but you answered too much, i just didn't get the link you were doing between desire/lust and immorality.

jdnation wrote:
The point remains that such regulations are based on the consensus of the general public regarding what gets publicly aired on television that everyone has access to. If the general public has a strong moral apprehension to such content, then it gets curtailed either due to market consideration or shared social responsibility.

Sure, i agree. That's why there is nudity/obscenity laws in Japan for example and Redo the Healer was censored to be broadcasted on TV.

Concerning the other points, i don't think any group or social media outrage get to define the morality: they are a minority voicing their opinion. Sometimes, their opinion reflect a moral consensus in the context of a particular society/country, sometimes they are just a minority who only represent themselves. That's why i'm more interested in the reasons/arguments behind the outrage than it being labeled as immoral. For example, I'm not convinced by your "slippery slope" argument but i can understand the reasoning behind.

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Yes, but I believe this story relates specifically to TV broadcasts and not just something on the internet. And the fact that some things can be accessed on the internet doesn't in turn make it acceptable for public television. There is plenty of illegal and highly questionable things online that obviously should not be depicted on television. Even streaming services can run afoul of this as Netflix found out with the film 'Cuties.'

I didn't watched 'cuties' so i cannot say for sure but it is maybe a case were the outrage were misdirected and uninformed: cuties netflix (caused by the key visual chosen by Netflix).
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