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CGesange
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The article quotes the show's writer as saying "Joan's actions and Richard's body both embody male and female characteristics", which historically is wrong for both people. Joan of Arc always called herself "the maiden" ("la pucelle") which is definitely feminine, and her stated role was that of a religious visionary (not a fighter or direct commander) in an era when there were many women who were accepted as religious visionaries. Her so-called "male clothing" was just the armor and military riding outfit which they gave her to wear, and several eyewitnesses said she told them she continued wearing and lacing together the riding outfit in prison because lacing together the hip-boots, trousers and tunic allowed her to make it more difficult for her guards to pull her clothing off when they tried to molest her. None of this has anything to do with mixing male and female characteristics. Richard III was described as a hunchback (by Shakespeare) rather than intersex (as the show makes him), so gender has nothing to do with his actual situation except in this show. Modern analysis of his skeleton found that he had scoliosis (which is apparently why Shakespeare portrayed him as a hunchback).
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daisicles
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 2:30 pm |
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| CGesange wrote: | | The article quotes the show's writer as saying "Joan's actions and Richard's body both embody male and female characteristics", which historically is wrong for both people. |
Aya Kanno (who wrote the manga, not the anime) clearly wasn't trying for historical accuracy, though, nor even an accurate retelling of Shakespeare's work. Of course the historical Richard probably wasn't an intersex man, but the story is asking what if he was and going from there. Taking inspiration from already heavily fictionalized versions of people as a leaping-off point for a new story intentionally emphasizing gender and gender roles means Rose King absolutely isn't a documentary and Kanno was talking largely about her conceptions of her own characters.
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xTrailer45
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 4:01 pm |
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xTrailer45
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 4:02 pm |
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| CGesange wrote: | | The article quotes the show's writer as saying "Joan's actions and Richard's body both embody male and female characteristics", which historically is wrong for both people. Joan of Arc always called herself "the maiden" ("la pucelle") which is definitely feminine, and her stated role was that of a religious visionary (not a fighter or direct commander) in an era when there were many women who were accepted as religious visionaries. Her so-called "male clothing" was just the armor and military riding outfit which they gave her to wear, and several eyewitnesses said she told them she continued wearing and lacing together the riding outfit in prison because lacing together the hip-boots, trousers and tunic allowed her to make it more difficult for her guards to pull her clothing off when they tried to molest her. None of this has anything to do with mixing male and female characteristics. Richard III was described as a hunchback (by Shakespeare) rather than intersex (as the show makes him), so gender has nothing to do with his actual situation except in this show. Modern analysis of his skeleton found that he had scoliosis (which is apparently why Shakespeare portrayed him as a hunchback). |
Very informative, thank you. It reminds me of fate changing gender to historical characters.
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