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DustyKramKram
Posts: 22 Location: Toride, Ibaraki, Japan |
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Long-time animation enthusiast, first-time ANN poster.
I live and work in Japan as a conversational English teacher. I teach students ranging in age from 3 to over 60. Because I just cannot keep my interests to myself, I have brought up the topic of animation to just about every one of my students. Most of my young students have only ever mentioned a handful of shows, the most recent of which being overwhelmingly "Inazuma Eleven," as well as "Pokemon: Best Wishes," "One Piece," "Naruto," and occasionally "Toriko." The only older stuff I've ever heard mentioned has been "Dragon Ball," "Evangelion," "Lupin," "Doraemon," "Detective Conan," and just about anything Ghibli-related. Honestly, most of my students are more familiar with Disney's catalogue than Japanese works. Upon mentioning titles like "Sailor Moon" and "Golgo 13," my students are generally aware of the properties, with varying degrees of familiarity. However, not a single one of my 60 or so students has ever heard of "Cowboy Bebop," "Samurai Champloo," "Paranoia Agent," or even "Akira," to name a few. What surprises me about this observation is realizing how much of a fan market anime is, even in Japan. The naive ideals of Japan as this wonderland of media where everyone just "gets it" were gone long ago, but even this caught me a bit off guard. So. Thoughts? |
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TitanXL
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Can't say I'm too surprised kids don't know older anime aimed at adults.
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yuna49
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Me, neither.
What about more recent shows aimed at family audiences like Dennou Coil or NHK's offerings like Seirei no Moribito and Kemono no Souja-Erin? The kids in Dennou Coil are about ten or eleven; those in the others a bit older. Also, if you watched Cross Game, you'd have seen a number of submissions in the "Draw Nomo" contests from kids between three and eight, so some children must have been watching this show. (The submissions were apparently removed from the VIZanime.com version available to US viewers; the end of episode 17 in Japan had some examples, but they're not at VIZ.) |
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EmbraceMe
Posts: 2021 Location: Growing old and jaded. |
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I don't think the Japanese access to older shows like we do in America. We need to remember that the Japanese are stricter on privacy (copyright, etc.) than Americans are. Because of this, America (and possibly other countries) have access to illegal streams and more viewing options for shows from years ago.
Then again, there's always the view on otakus held by some Japanese. I don't know how much of it is true but from what I've heard, otakus are generally looked down on. I guess this could possibly make people avoid watching anime to avoid being viewed negatively. |
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Unicorn_Blade
Posts: 1155 Location: UK |
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I remember when I was studying Japanese at university, none, literally none of the Japanese people on the course liked anime. Unlike all the non-Japanese people obsessed with it:) My Japanese friend rolled his eyes every time people mentioned anime...
When a few people form Japan came with a foreign exchange program, they had not heard of any of the series/films people mentioned, except for Miyazaki's films and Fullmetal Alchemist. Which made me think that it obviously is popular, but there is a great deal of people out there who really do not care about it at all |
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TitanXL
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You also have to factor in anime that were bigger in he US than in Japan, I imagine |
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Posts: 3498 Location: IN your nightmares |
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The Inazuma Eleven group represents titles that are both fairly recent and fits into the primetime category where lots of folks are watching not just anime fans. So it's expected youngsters these days will know about them and be avid watchers. The Dragon Ball group represents older titles that have gotten lots of exposure over time and may fall under both fan and mainstream viewing categories. But even though they've all gotten at least some mainstream exposure they suffer from the burden that is time. With exception of Sailor Moon, the ones in that group are all titles which fall under an evening programming category, so only youngsters who might be serious fans would have seen those, except those "youngsters" are in their 20's-30's now. And shows that air in the evening are ones typically targeted more toward the dedicated fan. But there's another category of anime you missed entirely, and that is, regardless of the age of viewer and the timeframe that the shows are aired, there is a subset of the anime industry which is aside from what the average Japanese public might see as mainstream entertainment that happens to be animated. This is known as the niche anime market that caters specifically to otaku, the fans who buy figures, body pillows, ren-ai games and attend anime fan gatherings. If you were to talk to someone in Japan who claims not to be familiar at all with anime, I'd bet that you'd probably get the same response from that person as you would from some of your Inazuma Eleven watchers if you mentioned titles like: Oreimo Moetan Nurse Witch Komugi Chan Pita-Ten Yumeira and perhaps even Excel Saga. How familiar are you, yourself with any of these series? |
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Annf
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Children watch currently running children's cartoons.
Adults don't watch cartoons aside from Ghibli/Disney films with their children and the occasional sitcom like Mainichi Kaasan. A tiny niche market of animation nerds watches OVAs/late-night stuff, but odds are you won't run into them. |
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rojse
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I also wonder if the people of Japan studying English can be considered to propotionally represent the population of Japan as a whole - the demographics that watch anime and the demographics that study English might be completely different.
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DustyKramKram
Posts: 22 Location: Toride, Ibaraki, Japan |
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I'm actually familiar with all of them, although I've never actually watched Yumeria (although I picked up a cheap copy of the game over Christmas) or Oreimo (this one's on my ever-expanding to-see list). I really don't think mentioning these titles would get a response out of most of my students. Only a handful of my students have ever even heard of "Toriko," much less watch it, even on a casual level. I equate it to a typical American media consumer who's never heard of "Monk," or something of equal (or even greater) popularity. I guess I just expected more of a passing knowledge of titles, just as I would from your average western viewer. I don't think my expectations are outrageous, considering not a single student ranging in age from 20 to 60 has ever heard of "Cowboy Bebop," despite the accolades it received from sources like Animage and even broader critical outlets. I would be shocked to run into any westerner between the aforementioned age range who had never even heard of "Cheers" or "Dynasty" or "21 Jump Street." Don't get me wrong, I know they exist, but out of an extremely diverse sample of 60 students. It's still a little baffling to me. I don't know that it's a matter of taste, either, which I don't even really want to bring up. We were playing "Princess Mononoke" in the lobby of my school today, when one of my kids proudly claimed "Tales from Earthsea" as his favorite Ghibli film. Sigh. More power to him, I guess. |
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DustyKramKram
Posts: 22 Location: Toride, Ibaraki, Japan |
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I was just thinking in terms of a general audience, or random sample, in which case I think most of my students are a fair example of such a survey. A great number of my students are either forced by their parents to go to English school (as an alternative to cram school), or by their companies (as many larger Japanese companies are now running all business meetings completely in English). Even so, the ones who truly want to speak English often have little if any interest in western culture. They just seem to like the challenge of learning a new language. I would say my survey sample is pretty diverse, and proportionally represents the population of Japan as a whole quite well. |
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rojse
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I would suggest that your class might be considered upper-middle class, since student's parents can afford for their children to have extra classes, and adults can afford the expense of attending your class, or their place of employment considers it a worthwhile investment into their worker to pay for them to be educated in English. In your view, would this be a correct assumption? |
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DustyKramKram
Posts: 22 Location: Toride, Ibaraki, Japan |
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I wouldn't necessarily put them into an upper-middle class category. My school is quite affordable compared to other Eikaiwa in the area. A significant portion of my students are scientific researchers in some capacity, due to the fact that my school is based out of Tsukuba. These guys definitely aren't making money hand-over-fist, but I see your point. I've only got one student who I would probably put anywhere below middle or lower-middle class, and he's a recovering hikikomori who's just now trying to re-socialize himself after his inheritance could no longer support his compulsion. But that's a different story. In any case, I feel that my job lends itself to interaction with a much more diverse group of people than, say, only teaching seventh graders as an ALT or something. The observations I've pulled away from my work have been quite enlightening. I know it's cliche, but I often feel like I learn more from my students than they learn from me. |
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Ninety-9
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I would think Japan and America are similar when it comes to Anime and other similar cartoons.
Young kids watch cartoons, which is why many of them are familiar with Dragonball, Pokemon, or Naruto. Just like kids here are familiar with Batman and Spongebob. You're not going to find very many people in America who are hardcore Anime fans, and most people in America also would think of Pokemon and Dragonball. Sometimes you'll have a Cowboy Bebop fan, thanks to Adult Swim. But Anime is very niche in America and most people think Anime is for kids. Not to mention, while we have the availability, the overwhelming majority of shows are subtitled, making it even less desirable to watch. Japan would probably be a lot of the same manner, Kids shows are a familiarity to all, but adult-oriented anime are only real big with the Otaku crowd. Out of curiosity, what time do shows typically air, and on what sort of stations? Sticking with the current season, shows, like C, Steins;Gate, and Deadman Wonderland. |
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DustyKramKram
Posts: 22 Location: Toride, Ibaraki, Japan |
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I know for certain that "C" doesn't come on until after midnight, and I think it's running on Fuji. I'm not sure about the other two, but I think they also run in the late-night block. No idea what stations they are on. I don't have regular television in my home, I have Flet's HikariTV, so I don't get normal channels. |
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