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Perfectsword
 Posts: 527 Location: Somewhere in NY |
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Do you think you'll still watch anime, even if it becomes a huge...trend or fad? I mean, there are alot of people who are against the "sell out" idea. Many people listened to bands like bad-religion or pennywise but wont any more because they became "sell outs."
So, if you were to walk in the mall, school or other public facilities and hearing people talking, non-stop about anime (like they do with American Idol, or Survivor, or Friends) would you continue to watch it and tell the other people to shut up or educate them in their areas of eduacation of anime? Or are you torn in to directions? |
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Aaron White
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Posts: 1365 Location: Birmingham, Alabama |
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Anime has been a commercially oriented popular thing since before most of us had even heard of it. More people watching and enjoying it doesn't represent anime selling out; it just represents more people knowing about it and liking it. There's no loss of integrity there.
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darkhunter
 Posts: 2992 Location: Los Angelas |
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Your definition of "sell out" is very narrow minded.
For instances, if you started a rock band, wouldnt' you want to your band to be popular (mainstream). Don't you want everybody to listen and talk about your music? Do you want record companies to pay you million of dollars to make your song? Or you rather be making little money, have a few hardcore following that don't think you sell out. Also what you mean by educate in anime? Anime is made for all people to enjoy, not just a selected few. If you feel that the otaku in you don't want it to be more popular, than that's a pity. |
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Nobuyuki
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The Fourth Thesis of "Fandumb":
"Anime is not punk rock; if it pains you that so many people are getting interested in it, find another scene to go save, like Bollywood cinema. If you're bent out of shape that so many "new" fans run around talking about how much they love the televised editions of Pokemon or Sailor Moon, remember that everyone had to start somewhere, even you." |
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Innotech
Posts: 234 Location: Louisiana |
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anime does not "sell out" any more than music does. If something is popular, it obviously doesnt suck to a large amount of people. There is great underground stuff and there is great popular stuff. Just because something isnt hidden from public view doesnt mean it has to suck. Anime applies to that rule. Yes it might be a fad for some, but for those of us who enjoy it for its uniqueness and variety and artistic merit, why complain about the greatest variation and availability anime has ever had since it was created? No longer do you have the choice of a select few titles, because of its popularity, you can stare at walls of HUNDREDS of shows. So much you cant afford all of it. I am very thrilled that anime has gotten to this point and I consider it a very high time in animation's history. Just enjoy the anime for what it is, and leave elitism at the door. No one wants that shit.
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matticans
 Posts: 192 Location: Lewisville, Texas. |
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Just because something gets big and popular doesn't mean it is "selling out". If that was the case then anime would be considered a "sell out" right now to me, because it is extremely popular compared to when i started watching anime and nobody else really did. And yes i do like show those random people, who start talking about how they are the biggest anime fans ever and they just sit there and talk about Trigun, CB, and DBZ, that they need to stop acting like they are the crap and start broadening their horizons. They never expect the stoner skater to come up to them and set them straight. They always get this look like he watches anime  . So i guess i like to educate the newer generation of anime fans.
I will never give up on anime. Just read my sig  .
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Sir_Brass
 Posts: 476 Location: Prescott, AZ |
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I don't care if anime grows in popularity or not. I am not generally a fan of the more popular series aired in the U.S. (gundam series being the exception; though Gundam Wing, SD Gundam, and G-Gundam not withstanding), so I don't care, and even IF my favorite series got mega popular, I can always claim that I was one of the ones who liked it first before it got big (note, this is an if. bragging does not become me very well). Either way, simply because something I liked when it was in the sub-culture arena moved to the pop arena through its own merits, then good for it.
I like anime because I like good animation and good storytelling. Anime has more of this than modern American animated series or movies (pixar being the obvious exception to the Disney rule), and that's why I like it. True, the sub-culture aspect of fansubs and whatnot is fun, but I don't give up on something just because it becomes majorly popular. |
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Ohoni
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Anyone who actually changes their buying/viewing/enjoying habits based on possible "selling out" is the sort of elitist idiot who I couldn't care less about. I don't know what it is about some people that they feel the need to consider themselves better than other people by only enjoying things that are rare or underapprciated by the "unwashed masses". If something's good, it's good, regardless of who else does, or doesn't also enjoy it.
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SuperOnizuka
 Posts: 421 Location: When I look At the World- New Jersey |
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Anime sells out here all the time. I can hardly get a title that I want, cause it sells out. ..okay that was cheesy.
I wouldn't really care if anime is "selling out," I would still enjoy watching and absorbing its meaning. |
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Iria51
 Posts: 138 Location: San Antonio, Tx |
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This had been touched on before, but there are some people in the anime community that never want it to become mainstream or popular. They would love to keep their hobby to themselves, and not have it become something that everyone else knows about. I don't know about anime "selling out" but it's popularity has definitly grown. Just because something is liked by more people doesn't mean it's "sold out". The same is true for all things like music or movies. People who feel that a band or director is "selling out", just because they became popular, are usualy elitists are are just sad that their little "discovery" is now "rediscovered" by everyone else. For me, I have been watching anime for a long time, so if I have been with it this long, and it hasn't gotten old yet, then I guess I will be with it for a while longer. Just when I think anime is getting stale, there is somthing that comes along to stoke the fires.
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samuraiwalt
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People who are in to something based on it's popularity are called posers.
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Hunter Gren
 Posts: 46 Location: Marshall MN |
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The creation of a Fad
1:Some people are so desperate to be "edgy" or the first to find the "next thing" that they will latch onto anything that is below the radar of the mainstream and then show off their "hip-ness" 2:They become smug and self satisfied in their latest obsession showing off whenever possible how "underground" they are to their friends (who are mostly similar minded people) basking in the attention they recive for their knowlage of the "underground" culture. 3:But then the problem sets in, the people they have been showing off to start to develop intrest, become fans and surpass that guy they know that used to be on the "edge" in knowlage and dedication to the medium. 4:Meanwhile, that "edge man" has become bored and frustraighted with his hobby, laments its newfound popularity (which is a product of their own work) and begins looking for the next "underground" thing. Repeat people refer to recent fans as posers, fakes and noobs, but the real posers are the people who stop enjoying anime just becuase its becoming mainstream. I've seen it happen with countless people with anime and from the looks of things now that anime is gaining popularity and the fans are getting worried about the loss of "underground" status have started moving to other aspects of Japanese Culture, some to Martial arts, but many to J-pop and J-rock. Japanese Music might be the next anime for those people, but only untill it hits a degree of mainstream popularity, then the search will continue. The idea of "selling out" is stupid, making money is the whole point of the industry. Companies licence titles that can make them money, why do you think after all the DVD's have been released, companies release "perfect collections" "directors cuts" and "LE Special editions" simply to make more money. Its the same with fansubers, only they are looking for the acceptance, admiration and popularity it brings them. The best example of this is a group I'll call "A" and their treatment of Naruto. When the series hit around episode 40 and reached the level of popularity it has pretty much now, they started to hate the show. But did they stop working, no they kept going for the attention it was giving them. They even started calling the fans Narutard (which might be the origin of the phrase) but they kept going. Now that its licened they have music celibrating on their site and the phrase "Finaly, they Killed Him off" It just goes to show that some people worry only about image and aperances rather than what they like and why. Fans will always be fans, old and new fans who like it only becuase of its popularity (or lack there-of) are posers and will fall to the wayside as time progresses. Last edited by Hunter Gren on Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:35 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Tenchi
 Posts: 4662 Location: Ottawa... now I'm an ex-Anglo Montrealer. |
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Anime, outside of a handful of kiddy merchandising franchises, will never be more than a niche phenomenon in North America, so people worried about it getting Friends-popular or Survivor-popular, whether their concerns are misguided or not, are worried about nothing.
Anime just isn't "underground" anymore, and it hasn't been "underground" since the explosion of availability in the late-1990s and early-2000s where you no longer had to go to a handful of speciality comic book stores to get it. |
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Iria51
Posts: 138 Location: San Antonio, Tx |
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Very well put Hunter Gren. Amen.
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Sousuke Segari
 Posts: 156 Location: In Tokyo-3 Hiding under Rei |
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You know i have to hear this about every thing at school every day, about music and about clothing. It really gets anoying, If you like something then dont let what every one else says or does, make a difference in your life. Theres my pice of wisdom.
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