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walw6pK4Alo



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Would it be inciting argument if I said people who did buy this are going to end up hurting the American industry in small ways? If these releases give Aniplex or others quick and tidy profits, they will continue to do them in this fashion; it's about money, not gaining a fanbase's admiration.
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My bad, very sorry. =)
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To all the people who responded to what I said about wanting to support the industry:

What I'm talking about is that as it is right now, the amount of money the industry makes from North America is a fraction of what they make from Japan. Why would studios care about making anime that America likes if they aren't making money from them? Buying 40 dollar box sets from Funimation or whatever does nothing in the long run since most of the profits go to Funimation, not the actual studios, and you'd need to sell 10 of them to make up the sales of 1 full series being sold in Japan.

As long as people aren't willing to pay what the Japanese pay, they can never expect to get any kind of preferential treatment when it comes to anime being made or released here. If people started to buy these more often, we'd get more BD releases in timely fashion, and get more of the goodies that come with the BDs and not just the bare bone sets we get now.

And yes, I understand its expensive and most people can't afford it. But if you aren't supporting the industry, you really can't complain about the direction it is going or the kind of anime that is popular.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:07 pm Reply with quote
RyanSaotome wrote:
If people really cared about supporting the anime industry, they'd be more willing to buy these kinds of releases.


HAHAHA...no.

I was fine paying $45 per Durarara set.

I can tolerate $60 for the Oreimo set. I really like the show, and they said it'd be limited quantities.

I'm cool with paying $40 for each Madoka blu-ray. Heck, the Madoka prices are pretty much the 2005 single prices. I'm cool with that.

$370 for a 13 episode set is BEYOND ridiculous. I can look at any blu-ray copies of even the most popular AND the most hardcore nerdy U.S. shows, and the only way those would even be close to that price is if it's an entire series that had aired for years.

Not to mention that is a LARGE chunk of my paycheck. I'd rather not be living the ramen lifestyle thanks to a few expensive imports.

This is coming from someone who's room is pretty much wall-wall with manga and anime DVDs. People who can and want to pay that much for a 13 episode set have my kudos and envy, but neither can I afford nor am I willing to pay that much for that set. Thanks.
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RyanSaotome wrote:
If people really cared about supporting the anime industry, they'd be more willing to buy these kinds of releases. The reason that the anime industry doesn't care about America is because they STILL don't buy up anime even at dirt cheap prices. If you offered someone something for 1/10th the price and they still don't buy it, I'm sure you'd also get fed up and not want to cater to them.

But if Americans start to buy this, it'll start to show Japan that even we can be a viable market, and they'd start making more anime aimed at us as well and not just Japan.

Of course, people here will just be like "WHAT MORE THAN 50 DOLLARS, NO WAY" and then go onto complain about all the moe and ecchi these days.


Funimation sells high quality anime, with a dub (usually pretty good) for a fraction of the cost. It cost me about 150 dollars to buy all of FMA: Brotherhood tv series (64 episodes) on Bluray, it would cost me about 360 dollars to buy 13 episodes bluray subtitled only with a bunch of extras that would cost maybe 50 dollars. 80 dollars would be the amount that I would be willing to pay for that.

I see Aniplex's plan leading to a dead end, instead of helping to influence change, all your doing is supporting what the Japanese want. In the aniplex business plan you're never going to see something like Hellsing or Cowboy Bebop.


Yeah, this isn't exactly a good model for Aniplex's attempts at importing. As much of a Type-Moon fan as I am, I had to skip the Garden of Sinners collection and I can't see myself getting this. I don't have a Blu-Ray as I don't find the format THAT important to what I watch (seriously, games get a bigger advantage than films or tv shows do with the format) and I just can't see myself shelling out $370 for half a season when I could just wait for American licensing and dubbing at a better price.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:10 pm Reply with quote
RyanSaotome wrote:
To all the people who responded to what I said about wanting to support the industry:

What I'm talking about is that as it is right now, the amount of money the industry makes from North America is a fraction of what they make from Japan. Why would studios care about making anime that America likes if they aren't making money from them? Buying 40 dollar box sets from Funimation or whatever does nothing in the long run since most of the profits go to Funimation, not the actual studios, and you'd need to sell 10 of them to make up the sales of 1 full series being sold in Japan.

As long as people aren't willing to pay what the Japanese pay, they can never expect to get any kind of preferential treatment when it comes to anime being made or released here. If people started to buy these more often, we'd get more BD releases in timely fashion, and get more of the goodies that come with the BDs and not just the bare bone sets we get now.

And yes, I understand its expensive and most people can't afford it. But if you aren't supporting the industry, you really can't complain about the direction it is going or the kind of anime that is popular.


Those companies still get some money would of a sale from say Funimation or Sentai. Maybe not as much from if say aniplex was selling them directly but they still get money.

There is nothing wrong with bare bones sets as some shows really are not great enough to really warrant a better equipped set.

If you want faster sets you have to get the Japanese companies to stop being afraid of reverse importation and I do not think that is going to happen any time soon.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:10 pm Reply with quote
Charred Knight wrote:
I see Aniplex's plan leading to a dead end, instead of helping to influence change, all your doing is supporting what the Japanese want. In the aniplex business plan you're never going to see something like Hellsing or Cowboy Bebop.

But it's not.

Even if Aniplex doesn't release a cheaper US release for Fate/Zero they do not care. This isn't an American company that needs US sales to survive. There is no possible way that this 'plan' can fail. If 40,000 copies are sold in Japan for $350 that is 14 million dollars right there. And if 100,000 copies are sold for $50 in the US a few years later? An additional 5 million! Taking into account there are two sets, that'd be 28 million in Japanese sales and 10 million in US sales. Purely hypothetical, but you can see that Aniplex can get by just fine on Japanese sales alone.

The only way they could possibly mess up is by releasing it in the US, at a cheaper price, around the same time as the Japanese release. And that is not now, or will ever be, Aniplex's plan.


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@RyanSaotome - I doubt anime creators would take non-Japanese opinion into account even if more non-Japanese buyers imported directly from Japan. Anime is a Japanese product created for Japanese viewers. That there is an audience of non-Japanese viewers around the world is incidental to the creators, except perhaps as a source of national pride.

However, I kind of agree with your point that non-Japanese viewers don't really have a right to complain about the creative direction of the anime industry. After all, it's not created for us, so it's a bit cheesy to say, "Hey Japan, change your cultural creations so they are more pleasing to my differing cultural expectations."
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Well said machetecat, I'm glad you agree. The pricing scheme is even getting worse actually and I'm someone like you who spends so much money on new day-1 releases of anime that I've shelves all over the house and my collection is pretty massive. I was fine with Durarara as well and I'm even cool with the Modoka sets. They just keep pushing it...

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fireaxe wrote:
My bad, very sorry. =)
Laughing No worries.


I already had fixed it in my response as I'd realized it happened too Smile But I hope you guys weren't against that point being associated with you since I still think the point is valid and claiming that this split release is anything like normal R1 split releases is crazy as they are getting both a sticker shock price (twice no less) and this split release does absolutely nothing towards spreading out the cost enough that a relatively heavy spender could reasonably spread out the cost unless there's really that many people that could afford a $1000 pop all at once on a 26 episode show.


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$369.98 and no dub... good luck with that, Aniplex. I hope this will get a proper American release with a dub and realistic pricing.

Is anyone going to fork out for this?


No anime is worth that much, maybe Clannad, & Kanon but I wouldn't be able to buy that many animes after.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:17 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
@RyanSaotome - I doubt anime creators would take non-Japanese opinion into account even if more non-Japanese buyers imported directly from Japan. Anime is a Japanese product created for Japanese viewers. That there is an audience of non-Japanese viewers around the world is incidental to the creators, except perhaps as a source of national pride.


The video game industry is making more and more games for the West in Japan, because its where the money is. If more Americans bought anime for the normal price, I don't see why they wouldn't be up for making more anime for Americans as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:18 pm Reply with quote
RyanSaotome wrote:
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And yes, I understand its expensive and most people can't afford it. But if you aren't supporting the industry, you really can't complain about the direction it is going or the kind of anime that is popular.


I am supporting the industry I just bought the bluray of Sword of the Stranger 2 weeks ago, and in a few weeks I am going to buy Fairy Tail part 1. The Japanese economy and the American economy are based on different cost. The Japanese make a lot more money, but they also pay a lot more.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:19 pm Reply with quote
Sanosuke_Inara wrote:
neocloud9 wrote:
I wish they'd release stuff on DVD. Even if I could afford the high prices, I don't own a blu-ray player so... :?
Oreimo, the Gurren Lagann movies, Blue Exorcist, Madoka Magica, Durarara!!, and Star Driver would all like to have a word with you.

If only Drrr!! were available on Blu-ray... ;_; I'd definitely import it from Japan.

DangerMouse wrote:
If they can afford to do a multi-tiered BD/DVD Regular and Limited Edition release for Madoka surely they should be able to do it for something just as big/a quality show that should have done quite well like Fate/Zero.

Madoka is a US release from Aniplex USA. Fate/Zero is an import. If Aniplex USA ever releases Fate/Zero over here, maybe they will.

SeigiNoSenshi wrote:
I'd honestly be glad to pay that price...for the whole thing. Having to spend $740 for both cours of a SINGLE series is just awful. Here I thought they'd finally done something right with Madoka, and then we get THIS? I was pissed about having to buy Oreimo on DVD, leaning toward pure boycott now.

Madoka is getting released soon by Aniplex USA, but I'm not sure if I'll be buying it since I imported the BDs already. Oreimo was released on DVD by Aniplex USA (and I chose not to buy it because it was only on DVD, although if the commentaries had been included, I might have made the purchase). Fate/Zero is an import from Aniplex. This is not a US release, and shouldn't be compared to Madoka.

DangerMouse wrote:
And yet it is because this glorified psuedo import cockblocks any of the R1s from paying good money to license this show for everyone who doesn't want to "import"[...]

We don't know if that's what's happening, yet, since the time to hear about US licenses varies quite a bit. Many US releases don't happen until 6 months to a year (or even more) after the Japanese release; that may happen in this instance. It may not. We'll have to wait and see.

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Excuse me, what "broader market release" two years later, I certainly haven't seen nor heard squat about any other Garden of Sinners release for example or any plans for one.

Eh? Two _years_? I haven't even had my Kara no Kyoukai BD set for 10 months. It was dropped off on my doorstep on 12 February. Are you looking at the release dates for the Japanese DVDs?

There have been comments from Aniplex that a cheaper US release was being planned, although neither format, price, nor a release date were mentioned. Can't you wait even a year to hear about a first US release?

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You'd have a point if Aniplex USA showed ANY sign of having ANY intention of the import-style release first, regular release a year later model, which they have absolutely not done which would probably please just about everyone.

I'm expecting to see something from Aniplex within the next three to six months about a US release of Kara no Kyoukai, since hints have been given before. Maybe I'll be right, and maybe I'll be wrong.

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With their current model you either buy the $500 import immediately day one or you can never buy it.

That may be true, but their "current model" isn't even a year old, and there's been only one title released in that fashion.

<sigh> I hate multi-quote messages... ^^;;
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:22 pm Reply with quote
RyanSaotome wrote:
What I'm talking about is that as it is right now, the amount of money the industry makes from North America is a fraction of what they make from Japan. Why would studios care about making anime that America likes if they aren't making money from them?

And why would Americans (or anyone else for that matter) even like that if what got them into anime was whats been made primarily for Japanese audience? Most people I know who like anime is precisely because it have a certain flair and does not really resemble shows produced for the western market.

How can you tell people to accept a foreign price standard when nothing else on the market even comes close to this ludicrous pricing? Should they just suck it up because it anime? In Japan all (optical) media is really expensive whether it's a live-action drama show or the latest hollywood-flick.

Also, have you ever heard of licensing costs? Your reasoning makes me think that you haven't.
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For that price, they should throw in the 110 episode Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Hell, I wouldn't pay that much even for that show.
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