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HetBaasje



Joined: 23 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:05 pm Reply with quote
Watching Anime Legal or Illegal way!


I know a whole bunch of anime fans on this forum are downloading Anime illigal, I don't think that is strange.
I am an Anime fan of the Netherlands, and in my country there is almost non anime.
Yes i can buy Anime on the internet but it's quite expensive for a 16 years old guy like me.
Against that if u are a real Anime fan you would buy caus you wan't to support the Anime and u want it legal.
I also heard a rumor that if u download Anime wich is not Fan-subbed or somthing like that its legal to have and watch but not to distribute or share.
It's verry easy to get Anime illigal or to download,I did alot in the past , but now i want as much anime and manga legal, caus i am just a fan and want to support the Anime.

How are u guy's think about this? Wink
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morsmaestro



Joined: 17 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:24 pm Reply with quote
Personally, I never download anime online illegally, and never intentionally buy bootlegs. And I don't think downloading anime illegally should be possible--however, its impossible to restrict it. For my part, I don't see it as much as an legal/illegal debate, I, like you, just want to support the artists who made it.
I buy anime online all the time, and actually have never seen a physical anime store, besides what Best Buy has, and I haven't been there since I've been into anime, so haven't seen their anime section or whatever. Yes, buying anime, online or otherwise, is expensive. I have that problem as well, but it gives the anime the support it deserves.
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fighterholic



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:33 pm Reply with quote
For one thing, I don't download because I don't know how to, I don't have the materials to do so, and the quality is poor. And I hear it's illegal too. But what's the point of downloading when you can get the real thing and have all the omake's with it, that's what I like about the real thing.
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Wolverine Princess



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:39 pm Reply with quote
This has been discussed at length so many times before that there really isn't any new light to shed on it at this point. Yes, I watch anime series all the way through with fansubs, and if I didn’t like a series I watched, I won't bother to buy it. So what if I'm an evil law breaker, I don't have enough money to throw away on expensive $30 DVDs for bad cartoons. I've never been much of a DVD buyer anyways, but I'll buy the DVDs of a series I liked because I want to see it in better quality than on a crappy fansub, and also to hear how the dub sounds (if there is one). I'll buy DVDs of a show I didn't like if it comes with some kind of funny extra like sock-puppet shows. If I watch fansubs, I know I've already broken the law and I can't justify it by buying legal R1 DVDs. I'm more of a manga buying person, since they're less expensive and easy to carry around.

And HetBaasje, are you really 16? You should know by now that "u" is not a word.
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HetBaasje



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:40 pm Reply with quote
fighterholic wrote:
For one thing, I don't download because I don't know how to, I don't have the materials to do so, and the quality is poor. And I hear it's illegal too. But what's the point of downloading when you can get the real thing and have all the omake's with it, that's what I like about the real thing.



I truly agree but there is one thing that is wrong.

The quality is exact the same as on the dvd, u can download the whole dvd online, u dont need any materials or anything just a computer whit internet, I am not gonna tell caus i don't support download ANime
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Dargonxtc



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:42 pm Reply with quote
I think it is good you want to buy more anime, and when you get older and get a better job, the prices won't seem as bad a I am sure they do now(not saying that it isn't expensive). Buying legal anime is really the only way to support the artists who create it. However you seem to be the perfect example of the debate "should fansubers be stopped or not". As living where you do, really the only way to get a diversity of titles is by getting the fansubs and you most likely wouldn't have gotten into it otherwise. So I think it is good that you have conscience and want to start getting the legal stuff now.

HetBaasje wrote:
I also heard a rumor that if u download Anime wich is not Fan-subbed or somthing like that its legal to have and watch but not to distribute or share.
Regardless of language or subtitles, if you download a show with out the permission of the parent company, or if that particular show was not made free to the public you are breaking the law. Don't believe rumors. The reason that rumor exsists is because companies really only go after the distributors, but that doesn't mean that what you are doing is not breaking the law. I would burn your files to a disk and only keep anime that you are curently watching on your hard drive just to be safe.

[edit]fixed grammar[/edit]


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one3rd



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:47 pm Reply with quote
HetBaasje wrote:
Yes i can buy Anime on the internet but it's quite expensive for a 16 years old guy like me.


You know, there was a time in human history when if you didn't have enough money to buy a luxury product, you'd simply go without it.
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HetBaasje



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:03 pm Reply with quote
Thanks for the resect, i thought i would get negative ractions Smile
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Entrail-sama



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:17 pm Reply with quote
I really want to buy all of my anime legaly, but here in Norway a anime DVD cost 300NOK which is about 45$. I know I can buy it a little cheaper on the internett, but because I am 16 years old I don't have my own credit card and my parets won't allow me to use theirs. I buy some of the shows I really like legaly and I will definitely buy more when I get a credit card. Btw, do anyone know any good internet stores where I can buy anime by paying with paypal and is shipping worldwide? If I knew of anyone I would be able to support the creators of my favorite shows more.
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HetBaasje



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:33 pm Reply with quote
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halochief90



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:15 pm Reply with quote
Wow, there seems to be a lot of 16 years olds here because I'm 16 too!

Anyway, downloading anime is bad. I personally download once in a while though. But here's the thing, finding some of the best anime is so hard, since many of the best ones are years upon years old. That's not to say downloading anime is acceptable, but bundled with the expenses and how hard it is to find some anime, and then there's the fact that I'm not allowed to order stuff off the internet, trying downloading can help you see whether that awesome anime is really so awesome.

For instance, I downloaded the first episode of the Samurai X OAV; skeptical on whether it was a pure classic or just fanboy squealing material. I didn't want to rummage through everyone of my friends to see if they have it, every electronic store (there is no anime shop anywhere near I live) and pluck up a very expensive $60-$70) only to find out it sucked. That is still not to say downloading should be done, but I did it, I watched the first episode of Samurai X and it was amazing. I now refuse to download anymore Samurai X until I have hunted down (and paid for) the DVD. But not all the time do things happen like this: I got a hold of the fabled Akira, only to find out it wasn't worth my time.

Regardless, downloading full series' is just plain wrong and selfish, and is just to get anything you want for nothing. However, as much as the Internet hurts anime, it's arguable that it more so strengthens it, with sites like ANN, which promote basically every anime.


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v1cious



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:16 pm Reply with quote
depends of your definition of illegal. are you talking about fansubs in general? or are you talking people that download dvd rips.
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halochief90



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:23 pm Reply with quote
v1cious wrote:
depends of your definition of illegal. are you talking about fansubs in general? or are you talking people that download dvd rips.

I think we all know that both fansubs and DVD rips are illegal. Seriously, both are properties of the respected companies. We all know fansubs are distributed illegally in Japan. Regardless of whether or not they come here, they are not meant to be given away free on the internet. I can't beleive how many people play dumb when it comes to this!


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PantsGoblin
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:23 pm Reply with quote
v1cious wrote:
depends of your definition of illegal. are you talking about fansubs in general? or are you talking people that download dvd rips.


There aren't any different "definitions of illegal". It's either illegal or not. Downloading licensed stuff (from Japan or not) without permission is illegal. Morality is a completely different story though.
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Kruszer



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:27 pm Reply with quote
I much prefer to and do buy most of the anime I watch and am following 7 or 8 at the moment as they're released by volume. I also buy a lot of boxsets if they happen to be affordable and of series I had my eyes on. I also download stuff, but mostly unliscensed stuff, and don't usually continue downloading once a series has been liscensed, which only happens when the series is too good to stop watching and is very rare since I have a great deal of patience. 9 times out of 10 I end up buying shows I've seen fansubbed too.
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