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DarkWarLord



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:26 pm Reply with quote
My brother (age 13) was talking to me about manga rating and one of his manga. I asked him why so he showed me what he was talking about. In his manga (Threads of Time vol. 2) he showed a picture of a girl coming out of the water. Under her hair you can clearly see a nipple. This is a Teen (+13) book, it's also on page 96-97. Can someone explain why they show a nipple in a teen book, yet they edit nipples out of some +16 manga? It's this kinda junk that makes me mad Evil or Very Mad
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ikky



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:41 pm Reply with quote
Depends on the publisher..?
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DarkWarLord



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:58 pm Reply with quote
TokyoPop published it...
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HellKorn



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:58 pm Reply with quote
DarkWarLord wrote:
This is a Teen (+13) book, it's also on page 96-97. Can someone explain why they show a nipple in a teen book, yet they edit nipples out of some +16 manga? It's this kinda junk that makes me mad Evil or Very Mad


Well, ikky pretty much nailed it down. It's a different publisher, and since there is no apparent agreed rating system, so it is up to whoever is putting it out. Tokyopop seems to be extremely loose with what they put out in terms of content while Viz seems to put a safeguard around their manga that is rated 13+ and 16+ unless it is either an old classic from their earlier days (Battle Angel Alita, Neon Genesis Evangelion, etc.) or else it is on their Editor's Choice/Signature line(s).

Admittedly I find it disturbing that manga is edited (even if the only titles I buy that have been effected are Claymore, D.Gray-man, and Fullmetal Alchemist) and released with no alternatives while anime doesn't have much of an issue there.
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aznxwater



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:34 pm Reply with quote
because compared to tv nowadays for 13+...a nipple is nothing. lol

and it required u to examine the girl that scoming out of the water
so yeah
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DarkWarLord



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:49 pm Reply with quote
It doesn't bother me at all. Why don't more companies keep their manga original like that? I couldn't be more against editing, I kinda would like to get the original (non-edited) for the $10 I pay for my manga. The rating also doesn't matter too much, since Dark Horse refuses to put a rating on their manga....
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fighterholic



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:41 am Reply with quote
DarkWarLord wrote:
It doesn't bother me at all. Why don't more companies keep their manga original like that? I couldn't be more against editing, I kinda would like to get the original (non-edited) for the $10 I pay for my manga. The rating also doesn't matter too much, since Dark Horse refuses to put a rating on their manga....

Well, you know how parents are about seeing women's t*****s in their children's books these days. Back in Japan you could get that in a kids book, like Shonen Jump/Sunday/Magazine.
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kolibri



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:33 am Reply with quote
HellKorn wrote:
Admittedly I find it disturbing that manga is edited (even if the only titles I buy that have been effected are Claymore, D.Gray-man, and Fullmetal Alchemist) and released with no alternatives while anime doesn't have much of an issue there.

I knew about FMA, but how have they edited D.Gray-Man?
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DarkWarLord



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:30 am Reply with quote
They edited the art work in one of the vol. It said "F**k you excorsist" but Viz changed it to "Thank you excorsist". That couldn't be more far from the truth, "screw you" would have been better. I know they're trying to be sarcastic, but come on, we're not children....
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Kagemusha



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:54 pm Reply with quote
DarkWarLord wrote:
It doesn't bother me at all. Why don't more companies keep their manga original like that? I couldn't be more against editing, I kinda would like to get the original (non-edited) for the $10 I pay for my manga. The rating also doesn't matter too much, since Dark Horse refuses to put a rating on their manga....


They rate everything they publish now and usually shrinkwrap mature titles (except for "Blade of the Immortal", and that doesn't really attract tons of new readers). As for bizarre ratings, Del Rey is probobly the most gung-ho about it, with Viz being up there as well.
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Ashen Phoenix



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:53 pm Reply with quote
HellKorn wrote:
Well, ikky pretty much nailed it down. It's a different publisher, and since there is no apparent agreed rating system, so it is up to whoever is putting it out. Tokyopop seems to be extremely loose with what they put out in terms of content while Viz seems to put a safeguard around their manga that is rated 13+ and 16+ unless it is either an old classic from their earlier days (Battle Angel Alita, Neon Genesis Evangelion, etc.) or else it is on their Editor's Choice/Signature line(s).

Admittedly I find it disturbing that manga is edited (even if the only titles I buy that have been effected are Claymore, D.Gray-man, and Fullmetal Alchemist) and released with no alternatives while anime doesn't have much of an issue there.


i'd havta agree wiht you there, about the editing and publishers' personal idea of what's suitable for younger and older teenagers. it is a shame that, in mangas' case, you can't get an "uncut" version as with animes, but then if you look at it a different way, there isn't that much that's cut out or changed where mangas are concerned, as opposed to how much animes are. (admittedly i haven't read Claymore, or enough of D.Gray-man to have any idea what's been changed, nor have i really looked into how frequently these edits occur in manga in general). i dunno. that's just my view on it, i guess. Wink
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tsukinoken



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:23 am Reply with quote
Ashen Phoenix wrote:
HellKorn wrote:
Well, ikky pretty much nailed it down. It's a different publisher, and since there is no apparent agreed rating system, so it is up to whoever is putting it out. Tokyopop seems to be extremely loose with what they put out in terms of content while Viz seems to put a safeguard around their manga that is rated 13+ and 16+ unless it is either an old classic from their earlier days (Battle Angel Alita, Neon Genesis Evangelion, etc.) or else it is on their Editor's Choice/Signature line(s).

Admittedly I find it disturbing that manga is edited (even if the only titles I buy that have been effected are Claymore, D.Gray-man, and Fullmetal Alchemist) and released with no alternatives while anime doesn't have much of an issue there.


i'd havta agree wiht you there, about the editing and publishers' personal idea of what's suitable for younger and older teenagers. it is a shame that, in mangas' case, you can't get an "uncut" version as with animes, but then if you look at it a different way, there isn't that much that's cut out or changed where mangas are concerned, as opposed to how much animes are. (admittedly i haven't read Claymore, or enough of D.Gray-man to have any idea what's been changed, nor have i really looked into how frequently these edits occur in manga in general). i dunno. that's just my view on it, i guess. Wink

Not to much in Claymore just a spoiler[yoma mummies penis]
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HitokiriShadow



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:32 pm Reply with quote
I don't read Claymore, but I think they added a diaper to a little girl at one point as well. I recall hearing something like that.
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echoblues



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:45 pm Reply with quote
Hmm...I think that rating issues really depends on the publisher and us the customers don't really have any say in em. On the other hand, I think that the use of rating is rather useless because like it or not, people *regardless* of age can easily get their hands on mangas. For example, in my country, people 'see' manga as equivalent to children comics. I think this is because parents aren't really aware of the different types of manga and age range that are available in the market. However, I did hear that G.S.Mikami got banned in our country...*i'm not sure whether thisis true or not but we couldnt find any copies of em anymore tho*. Furthermore, our manga here is really cheap. We can get em for $5! *which is the standard price*. The prices for manga here range from $5 to $30! I do agree that editting a manga is a no-no. It in a way 'contaminates' the originality of the manga! Thankfully, we didn't get much of the editting here in our country *then again the range of mangas available are within the acceptable range...* Smile
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HellKorn



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:00 pm Reply with quote
Ashen Phoenix wrote:
but then if you look at it a different way, there isn't that much that's cut out or changed where mangas are concerned, as opposed to how much animes are.


This kind of justification bothers me, though, simply because there are manga that are brought over that don't have anime counterparts, or else don't have there anime counterparts being licensed and released. Also, anime with adult content is released as such with hardly any problems, if at all, yet manga does manage to go under the scope.

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(admittedly i haven't read Claymore, or enough of D.Gray-man to have any idea what's been changed, nor have i really looked into how frequently these edits occur in manga in general).


Claymore only had an edit to a mummy's penis in volumes two and three, and the lone D.Gray-man edit, found in volume three, is described above by DarkWarLord.

As for its frequency... I've no idea on that one. There are certainly more manga publiched that doesn't get any overhaul done on it compared to manga that do, but generally its something not commonly practiced and applied to except for Viz's series that targets a younger demographic.

HitokiriShadow wrote:
I don't read Claymore, but I think they added a diaper to a little girl at one point as well. I recall hearing something like that.


Uh, any source/evidence? I've heard nothing like that before.
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