Forum - View topicAnime differences for TV and home video releases in Japan.
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mdo7
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I was on Kotaku and saw this interesting article about anime on TV and home video releases differ. This is in Japan and not relating to US releases. This article surprise me because we complain about how US companies (ie: 4kids) edit anime. But I don't know if people in US know of these edit done in Japan when they release it on home video. I couldn't find a ANN topic on this but I thought this would be interesting to be brought up among international anime fans. Here's a couple of picture (making sure I don't hurt the forum rule on putting picture on here) to show you the differences on this topic:
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marie-antoinette
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I knew that edits were done between the TV airing and the DVD/BD release, though I didn't realize there were done quite like this article is discussing. I've heard about them mainly being done on things like backgrounds, which sometimes aren't quite finished by the time the anime had to air. I know the backgrounds in Madoka Magica definitely got touched up for its DVD/BD release.
And obviously the shows that air on television heavily censored will not be that way when they are released otherwise. It is interesting to see some of the smaller changes they made (or bigger, in the case of some of those breasts). They tend to be insignificant enough that I honestly can't see why they are worth the time it took to do it. |
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FenixFiesta
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Most of the time it is effectively a quality edit in an attempt to maintain the animation style with the rest of the show.
Without referring to individual cases where artistic choices are changed in post (for the seemingly negative kind) an improvement into the DvD/Bluray version certainly is welcomed. |
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Key
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Yeah, this has been going on for a few years now. One site I frequent - www.sankakucomplex.com, which is generally NSFW - posts articles about this all the time. It's practically a game/point of prestige for Japanese otaku to spot the differences, and I've partly gotten the impression that some of these minor tweaks (which no casual viewer would notice) are done deliberately just to see if that crowd notices.
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Bango
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It's done as any combination of the Shaft rule of "because we can", to fix up mistakes (usually due to deadlines) in the TV version, and/or to improve marketability of the disc versions.
Actually, Shinobuden said it best- 
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Galap
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I kind of agree about that last point, Key.
I've seen tons of lists of these changes, and I think that about a third of them are for the better, a third of them are for the worse, and a third of them are just different. I personally tend to find that the pre "correction" drawings tend to be more expressive, especially with faces, with the changes sacrificing facial expressiveness for the lack of 'funny faces'. One of the most dramatic (and well known) examples of these changes is in Bridy Decode. Here's part of the TV version of the oft debated segment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vi-GRL7qPs And here's the DVD version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgSDtH67q7E#t=0m29s The DVD version sacrificed Tomoyuki Niho's surrealistic style with boxy forms and ribbony effects for a much more 'traditional' appearance. I personally prefer the TV version, because I both like the style, especially as a choice in context for that scene in particular, and because the DVD version has much worse shot composition: often it's too zoomed in and it doesn't convey the motion that's going on nearly as well. |
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mdo7
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Yeah I was surprised too when I read the article and saw the picture. Didn't know the post TV broadcast edit version would be more extensive.
Yeah Ninja Nonsense did a good job with the in-joke about animation TV broadcast and home video releases. Kudo to the team for poking fun at this. 
Yes I can understand where you come from on this. Sometime post-TV broadcast edit can make it better, sometime it can go wrong. But I made this thread to bring awareness and discussion, not to start a controversy.
Well, Key they're doing a good job of getting attention of international anime fans like us . They did good a job of getting Kotaku's Brian Ashcraft to write that article I link.
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Mesonoxian Eve
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This isn't surprising. Most series are generally rushed if they're rushing to meet a network deadline, which then gets converted to HD tape for broadcast, which can cause distortion.
But damn! Did you see TV Fate?!! I want that version on disk! 
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walw6pK4Alo
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The only TV versus disc changes that tend to matter are removing censorship of nudity or gore. Otherwise, it's usually just because the animation staff want to polish off some scenes as it's typical for TV anime come in at the last moment, and rushed to completion.
Other times, TV should be kept for hilarious moments, like finding out Makoto from School Days was a robot the entire time. |
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Bango
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I always wondered if the disc release of Black Blood Brothers had red blood or black blood.
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mdo7
Posts: 8262 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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I think I saw red blood from watching the trailer. So the disc release use red blood, I assume the TV broadcast/fansubs in Japan used black blood, right? |
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Shiroi Hane
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Talking about the colour of blood.. I was surprised after getting the US release of Boogiepop Phantom to find that the blood was a muddy red since for some reason in the UK release it had ended up more of a muddy green colour for some reason.
The first few I remember with major upgrades were R.O.D the TV, Moonphase andNegima (Yes, the layout is broken). If you want to see what happens when DVD upgrades go wrong, search Sankaku Complex for "floating nipples". |
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mdo7
Posts: 8262 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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I did some snooping and I didn't know other people has made topic on this prior to this:
Differences in TV debuts and DVD releases Animation differences between broadcast and DVD Well I'm glad I'm not the only one (along with Brian Ashcraft) that took notice of this differences between TV broadcast and home video. |
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Hypeathon
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I bet it's often just a matter of artists being perfectionists when going back to edit certain scenes. Adding nipples or presenting more lewd shots to satisfy otaku are one thing, but I would imagine whoever was assigned on say, animating a certain scene felt they were short on time, under pressure or just for whatever other reason was not as precise with keeping a character on-model as they wanted to be. I'm not speaking for every artists out there, but I myself as well as some of my peers have felt that way with some artworks we did, whether it was in the middle of working on our thesis films or some other big project. Time and other circumstances sometimes got the better of us and we felt frustrated that we couldn't take as much time making certain scenes look or timed as polished as we wanted them to.
Sometimes scenes needed to be revised to make a show seem consistent while other times those who had to work on certain scenes can be their own worst critics as to whether or not the change was necessary. |
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Shiroi Hane
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Considering I've posted (and linked my blog) in all three threads I could have told you it wasn't just you if you'd asked.
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