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sinead holohan
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:56 am |
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question: Does animation influence its viewer, if so does it in a negative or positive way.
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Char_Aznable
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:21 am |
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This sounds like a school project or something.
In high school, my friend and I took on a similar topic, arguing that violent media did not directly lead to violence among viewers. We used Ninja Scroll as our example, watched the movie, then wrote our paper together, saying that there was no connection between violence on film and violence in reality.
Then, ironically, we felt compelled to go to my basement and smash some stuff up with a pipe. No rationale behind this action; just some good ol' teenage aggression that was (likely) fueled by violent imagery. True story.
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sinead holohan
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:53 am |
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So what do you think now. Would it be only be younger people in school that would be influenced by what they see?.... or do you think adults can be influenced also?
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Tony K.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:58 am |
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| Teh Rules wrote: | | 3) Discussions should carry some measure of intelligence to them. Consider if what you are writing is relevant or important to others. If it does not contribute to the discussion, do not post it. Please post detailed answers to questions, lists and one-liners do not contribute. |
Please be more specific. What do you mean exactly by "influence," as in content or production? Many an animator will probably be impressed by the technical aspects, but I really think you need to be more clear. If you're talking about "can anime influence a person's actions," then come outright and ask.
Also, it's customary to state your own opinions first before inquiring from others. This is a discussion forum, not an answer board. Giving us your thoughts might at least jump start some kind of conversation. Please address these two issues or your thread will be locked. Thanks.
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sinead holohan
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:04 pm |
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The thing is I didn't want to influence anyones opinion on the matter.
To be more clear on the subject.
would a viewer say, after seeing a violent anime/hentai feel the desire to act out what they might have seen. Or perhaps does the violence (in hentai mostly towards women) serve as a vent to desires and a prevention against actions that would be unacceptable in society.
Positive or Negative
Or does it have any impact or effect on the viewer at all beyond that of entertainment.
My belief is that it is a form of escapism. Escape the mundane, do the unthinkable....... in the privacy of your mind. It is still entertainment, but i think it is also the fodder of ones imagination. A safe way to experience something without any ill effects on those around you in life.
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Ultenth
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:55 pm |
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Animation is just like any other form of art, so to ask that question about animation is just the same as asking if a song, or video game, or movie, or tv show or whatever else influences people.
In my opinion, when it comes to people doing bad things, it does influence them, BUT only in how they go about doing the bad things. People intent on doing bad things will do them no matter what, though on occasion the way in which they do it is influenced by art of all kinds, sometimes even paintings or photographs. But what about all the bad things that people do that are influenced by things outside of art? Are we to blame everything in this world because bad people do bad things? People have done bad things for the entire history of humankind, I think it's just silly to blame a certain thing for the downfall of society.
As long as humans exist, some of them will choose to do bad things, and they or other people around them will try to excuse it by blaming it on something else that made them that way. I think people should own their mistakes, instead of blaming them on whatever is convient, and allow other people the same. If someone does something bad, and just happens to do it in a way that mirrors some form of art that they saw, its not that art's fault. Even if it never existed I'm sure the person would have just come up with some other way achieve whatever evil purpose happens to fester in their heart.
On the other side though, anyone that constantly exposes themselves to something WILL eventually be somewhat changed by it. In other words someone that watches lots of hentai rape shows could very well come to believe that it is okay, while some people may only watch it occasionally as a release. Its about balance, and its an individuals responsibility to find balance in their lives, its not the responsiblity of the artists.
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SolRHN
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:20 pm |
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Impressive answer. I agree very much, and I also agree with what sinead said about escapism. I tell you, I'm very much into violence in my entertainment. There's something about it that says, "this is not the real world, not even for those in a dangerous job" and it makes it fun, exciting speculation. I must admit that I'm fairly impressionable. I see someone on a show drinking tea, I go and make a pot of tea, or I see someone eating noodles, and I'll go check the cupboards. While I was watching Stand Alone Complex the past few days I slowly felt myself wanting to become Batou. I wanted to shave off my beard and put on jack boots and a flack jacket and pickup a highpowered firearm. But you know what? I didn't. It was escapism that I desired to enter into, but in the end, I'm just a guy watching a cartoon, and the best I can do is workout and practice my martial arts in hopes to be prepared to defend myself in a mugging that'll probably never happen in my life. I enjoy a great many things in this world, and I am influenced by each and every one of them, but I am still me, and those things that influence me will only affect my daily life as I choose. It's about choice and free will for me. I am not a robot, but I enjoy escaping into a cyberbrain from time to time.
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trebors
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:17 pm |
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yes it can influence some viewer
and it depends on the viewer too
example
in kare kano
after i watched it i felt that im behind than my classmates so i feel like trying best next time in my exams
like that >_>
and in other
if the person who is watching is an outcast or depress
maybe he can be influence by bad anime
sorry for bad english
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animebrainyanic
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:03 am |
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In my state, I have been influnced by animation because of some great and original storyline/plot, an example of these is one of my favorite; I, My, Me, Strawberry Eggs, a great and original ecchi 'cause the title itself quite makes it more a twisting anime. I have the same opinion as Tony K. so, thanks... no need to express a furthur explanation of influencing an anime. Just as Tony K. said by art can be influenced. I have been influenced by art and the storyline of each anime I've watched. I can't deny the fact that I'm an anime lover, and it has been part of my life ever since I have influenced by it. So enough for me.
Animation - An art made by japanese people.
Don't know to put it but I've concluded this kind of defintion, by influencing an animation, there is a possibility that a person will love also the culture, the animation itself speaks through japanese cultures.
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KyuuA4
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:07 am |
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| sinead holohan wrote: | | question: Does animation influence its viewer, if so does it in a negative or positive way. |
It's a media form. So, of course, it influences audiences. As for positive - negative -- that's case-by-case. Want some evidence of anime's influence? Go to a Anime Con.
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Keonyn
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:13 am |
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As an art form it has the potential to influence those who take it in the same as any art form does, be it a novel or a painting or sculpture or whatever. Art is aesthetic, its whole purpose is to draw you in and appeal to you as the viewer, of course anything of that nature is going to influence people.
So sure, anime influences people, so does film and television and books and sculpture and painting and theater and opera and so on and so forth, the list goes on almost indefinitely. If you're a fan of a particular kind of art form and it draws you in, then yes, chances are it's going to influence you. It can be positive or negative, depending on what you do with that influence, as with anything there will be good and bad choices but it is up to the individual what you do with that influence. The influence is there, but I don't think it's inherently positive or negative, that is up to the individual.
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banas
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:17 am |
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I think influence also depends on the person watching. Even if the plot line is very beautiful, some people would not find it as such. But the influence of "violent media" to me is rather positive. It shows me the reality of life and makes me think what I can do for it. But other anime also "influence" me, in a lot of different ways. Maybe it is because of the reasons they say. Anime is art and a good art can capture a lot of attention. Full Metal Panic! is a beautiful anime but for me it brought a rather negative effect. Because of watching it too much I've also taken the habit of Kaname, which is whacking Sosuke, or any person for my matter when s/he annoys me. The influence I get is more of habits and attitudes, not really influencing me to act or something like that.
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SolRHN
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:20 pm |
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Well, I'd say that habits derived from animation is the same as actions derived from animation, just on a more continual scale rather than a compulsive or impulsive one. I'm not trying to be the badguy here, but it really is the same thing when you get right down to it. I'm much the same way though. When I watch a show with a lot of vulgairty my own vulgarity steps up a notch (especially when watching Deadwood). People are highly impresionable, especially when they live a mundane life by this mundane life's standards. It really is escapism, and I enjoy it, as I asume most of you do. It's not that we want to put our lives on the liline for a huge bounty or lofty ideal, but to speculate on such a thing is quite magnificent. It's like playing a videogame in your imagination, and I love it.
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sinead holohan
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:26 am |
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Banas said something very interesting there, that they picked up a habit from watching an anime character, a contact habit at that. I myself, when i think back have done the same thing, where I'd pick up habits rather easily. so heres a thought. Might anime/hentai influence on a subconscious level. might peoples perceptions be changed without them even noticing. For example. In one of my fave anime Ouran High School, the story deals with multiple desires. at first glance i was a little thrown off, to be honest. but the more i watched it, the more accepting it became. certain things like lolicon interests and the incestuous male twins that where dealt with. Not everyday accepted things in real life society. And yet when they're in anime there accepted rather quickly. Might one follow that then to surmise, that perhaps if a young impressionable viewing group where exposed regularly to the cartoon over a long period of time they might find these tendencies more acceptable. ????
I'm just not sure.
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Leuconoe
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:17 pm |
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| sinead holohan wrote: | | For example. In one of my fave anime Ouran High School, the story deals with multiple desires. at first glance i was a little thrown off, to be honest. but the more i watched it, the more accepting it became. certain things like lolicon [quoter's note: shotacon in this series - the character of Honey?] interests and the incestuous male twins that were dealt with. |
Rather neatly, of course, the various desires present in the Host Club members such as said incestuous twins are feigned desires, feigned moreover rather cynically, for profit. The real desire, if it exists anywhere, is in the minds of the Host Club's female clientele, and it's more of a voyeuristic desire to observe such things. Which casts an interesting light on the desire of a heterosexual male when he watches yuri. This kind of razor-sharp subversion is what makes that series so great, I feel.
I think the existence of art's influence on its audience is undeniable. How we react to that is another question. Plato wanted to ban poets [for poets read all artists, anime studios included] from his ideal Republic, on the grounds of art's dangerous influence.
I'm not sure I'd go as far as Plato, but I think it is important that people are able to recognise the influence of the art they take in on themselves. In fact this is something that I was taught about while I was growing up, both by my parents and my teachers.
'Normal' people have the capacity to both become absorbed in a book/anime series (or whatever) and also to recognise and 'police' its influence on their minds. It is possible that people who lack this capacity - primarily this would be children - should be 'protected' from certain pieces of art. Quite how this should be done is another matter - leaving the responsibility in the hands of the parents seems a little risky, but placing the responsibility in the hands of the State often produces blunt and unsubtle censorship (as well as placing public and political pressure on the 'guardians of the nation's morals').
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