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meiam
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2026 4:57 pm |
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The sibling aspect really fall flat for me, even ignoring "Asa seems pretty okay with genocide/possibly actively participated in one", Yuru has literally spent most of his life in contact with fake Asa, real Asa is just a stranger to him, or more like a distant relative he's seen like once or twice as a little kid with vague memory of her.
The show seems to take the point of view that blood relation trump actual experience/personality/everything. Like, for example, if you had a sibling, but found out that they were adopted, you should treat them as stranger and never really bother to think about them (how much time did Yuru spend thinking about fake Asa since he saw her die). But that having 0 contact with someone for years is irrelevant if you are blood relative.
Also, why is Higarashi village even considered a serious faction? They seem incredibly weak, 1 deamon user + a couple of regular human soldier wiped out the village. Are we really suppose to think that they could organize some complex operation but couldn't defend themselves?
And, why are the sibling that important anyway? Their power are pretty tame all things considered, definitely not "take over the world" level of power.
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An Unchosen One
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2026 11:04 pm |
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| meiam wrote: | | The sibling aspect really fall flat for me, even ignoring "Asa seems pretty okay with genocide/possibly actively participated in one", Yuru has literally spent most of his life in contact with fake Asa, real Asa is just a stranger to him, or more like a distant relative he's seen like once or twice as a little kid with vague memory of her.
The show seems to take the point of view that blood relation trump actual experience/personality/everything. Like, for example, if you had a sibling, but found out that they were adopted, you should treat them as stranger and never really bother to think about them (how much time did Yuru spend thinking about fake Asa since he saw her die). But that having 0 contact with someone for years is irrelevant if you are blood relative. |
I don't know how you could possibly come to such a conclusion.
For starters, it's easy to infer that the two did interact at least somewhat frequently when they were little, so they're not as distant as you claim. There's also that the village actively deceived Yuru, making him believe that his sister was still there after his parents left, and now he's found out they were planning to kill both of them in order to get their powers. This isn't about blood relation versus other kinds of family, he now knows for certain that he was lied to for half his life because his parents were kept from taking him along as well.
| Quote: | | Also, why is Higarashi village even considered a serious faction? They seem incredibly weak, 1 deamon user + a couple of regular human soldier wiped out the village. Are we really suppose to think that they could organize some complex operation but couldn't defend themselves? |
The village is basically the home base and was supposed to be protected by a barrier so they wouldn't need to dedicate other defenses for themselves, but because Asa knows how to get through that barrier, the Kagemori forces could attack it.
| Quote: | | And, why are the sibling that important anyway? Their power are pretty tame all things considered, definitely not "take over the world" level of power. |
It's not entirely clear by this point, but it has been emphasized that their abilities work on Daemons other than Right and Left and I think implied that the twins' full power only comes about when both have revived.
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Greed1914
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2026 10:56 am |
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| meiam wrote: | |
And, why are the sibling that important anyway? Their power are pretty tame all things considered, definitely not "take over the world" level of power. |
There is probably something additional that happens if they have both. Yuru's power isn't active, and it's possible Asa will do more than we've seen if it does. But I do agree, from what we've seen, it seems unlikely. If what we've seen of Higashi is the bulk of it, then they'd have trouble taking over much of anything. But, we do know that the village isn't all of it, so maybe part of that is that members have worked their way into extremely influential positions over the centuries in a way to support whatever power comes with having the twins.
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meiam
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2026 11:27 am |
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| An Unchosen One wrote: | | meiam wrote: | | The sibling aspect really fall flat for me, even ignoring "Asa seems pretty okay with genocide/possibly actively participated in one", Yuru has literally spent most of his life in contact with fake Asa, real Asa is just a stranger to him, or more like a distant relative he's seen like once or twice as a little kid with vague memory of her.
The show seems to take the point of view that blood relation trump actual experience/personality/everything. Like, for example, if you had a sibling, but found out that they were adopted, you should treat them as stranger and never really bother to think about them (how much time did Yuru spend thinking about fake Asa since he saw her die). But that having 0 contact with someone for years is irrelevant if you are blood relative. |
I don't know how you could possibly come to such a conclusion.
For starters, it's easy to infer that the two did interact at least somewhat frequently when they were little, so they're not as distant as you claim. There's also that the village actively deceived Yuru, making him believe that his sister was still there after his parents left, and now he's found out they were planning to kill both of them in order to get their powers. This isn't about blood relation versus other kinds of family, he now knows for certain that he was lied to for half his life because his parents were kept from taking him along as well.
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so iirc they're supposed to be 16
0-3 years old, limited memory of this time
3-6 regular interactions
6: parent run with Asa (I'm not sure they ever confirm what age they were when they left but Asa could fit in a small basket, so 6 is probably about right.
6-16 regular interaction with the fake.
Yuru is discarding 10 year of interaction with someone without batting an eyelash, in favor of around 3 year of interactions and blood relation.
On the killing the sibling part, they specifically are trying to trigger the resurrection, they don't want to kill them. I will say, the two henchman who killed Asa were extraordinary stupid since they knew she would come back with super power, what was their plan to get out of that alive?
If the village is just like the poorly defended HQ that apparently nobody frequent, why even have it? What purpose does it serves?
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kgw
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2026 3:05 pm |
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I am several chapters behind in the anime, but quite ahead in the manga, and, without spoiling, I'd say that I like Yuru's personality. After a bit of a shock, he's getting very used to the "new" world without panic and not flipping at everything the modern world has to offer (except luxuries as running water and good food) and, in the action side, he is not very suprised when the daemons do something.
Maybe because when he lived in the village, it was in a world where spirits, gods, spectres, ghosts, were supposed to exist.
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An Unchosen One
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2026 3:52 pm |
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| meiam wrote: | | so iirc they're supposed to be 16
0-3 years old, limited memory of this time
3-6 regular interactions
6: parent run with Asa (I'm not sure they ever confirm what age they were when they left but Asa could fit in a small basket, so 6 is probably about right.
6-16 regular interaction with the fake.
Yuru is discarding 10 year of interaction with someone without batting an eyelash, in favor of around 3 year of interactions and blood relation. |
You're glossing over the fact that she was indeed just pretending to be his sister, meaning he has no idea who she even is or how willing she may have been to play that part. The entire reason he even spent time with her was because he thought she was Asa, so it's a given that he'll feel betrayed knowing that wasn't true and have the kind of reaction he did to becoming certain that the real Asa is who she says she is.
Seriously, why are you so hung up on this when just a little thought on the matter is enough to conclude that this has nothing to do with blood relations being more important?
| Quote: | | On the killing the sibling part, they specifically are trying to trigger the resurrection, they don't want to kill them. I will say, the two henchman who killed Asa were extraordinary stupid since they knew she would come back with super power, what was their plan to get out of that alive? |
They have to die in order to resurrect, so yes, they do want to kill them, even if not permanently. As for the two who killed Asa, they likely assumed either that she'd be too weakened from her death to do much or that her hands being bound would be enough.
| Quote: | | If the village is just like the poorly defended HQ that apparently nobody frequent, why even have it? What purpose does it serves? |
With them being accused of being stuck in the past, the village itself is probably just where they want to stay so they can minimize their interactions with the outside world and stay where they can keep to a feudal lifestyle, not to mention it likely being the villagers' ancestral home.
The dots are there, you just don't seem to be putting in any effort to connect them.
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Amuro1X
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2026 10:30 pm |
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| meiam wrote: | | The sibling aspect really fall flat for me, even ignoring "Asa seems pretty okay with genocide/possibly actively participated in one", Yuru has literally spent most of his life in contact with fake Asa, real Asa is just a stranger to him, or more like a distant relative he's seen like once or twice as a little kid with vague memory of her.
The show seems to take the point of view that blood relation trump actual experience/personality/everything. Like, for example, if you had a sibling, but found out that they were adopted, you should treat them as stranger and never really bother to think about them (how much time did Yuru spend thinking about fake Asa since he saw her die). But that having 0 contact with someone for years is irrelevant if you are blood relative.
Also, why is Higarashi village even considered a serious faction? They seem incredibly weak, 1 deamon user + a couple of regular human soldier wiped out the village. Are we really suppose to think that they could organize some complex operation but couldn't defend themselves?
And, why are the sibling that important anyway? Their power are pretty tame all things considered, definitely not "take over the world" level of power. |
You're saying some very contradictory things. The village was behind an impenetrable barrier that only people with very specific information could enter, yet you then go on to say that Asa's power isn't very impressive. She literally facilitated the entire attack by breaking the barrier. Her Break ability works on physical objects and CONCEPTS. She can break a contract between a Daemon and their contractor. That alone is one of the single most broken things in existence.
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jr240483
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2026 3:38 am |
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| db999 wrote: | | jr240483 wrote: | | Aerdra wrote: | The old woman who rules the village is named Yamaha.
| Covnam wrote: | | I wonder how much of the village was in on it. |
It seemed to me that most of the villagers didn't know anything. During the massacre, many of them were trying to fight with farming tools. They also couldn't see Gabriel (pair of teeth), which suggests they weren't daemon users. That said, there were probably some people other than Yamaha who knew what was going on, but most of the villagers seemed unaware. |
not really. she is also called kyoka in the english versions of the manga as well! |
No she's called Yamaha in the english release, I have volumes 1-8 and she's never referred to as Kyoka.
If the current pacing continues throughout and they don't speed up, it looks like my prediction for where the anime is planning on leaving out looks to be correct, which is good because volumes 7 and 8 have a few really good stopping points. |
i read volumes 1-3 at Barnes and Nobel's while i was in the washington area back in feb for katsucon and that was the name they had in the books
although find out from them while working at anime central this month that some of their volumes had been recalled due to misspelling/translation errors! so its par for the course i guess.
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meiam
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2026 4:21 pm |
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| An Unchosen One wrote: | |
You're glossing over the fact that she was indeed just pretending to be his sister, meaning he has no idea who she even is or how willing she may have been to play that part. The entire reason he even spent time with her was because he thought she was Asa, so it's a given that he'll feel betrayed knowing that wasn't true and have the kind of reaction he did to becoming certain that the real Asa is who she says she is.
Seriously, why are you so hung up on this when just a little thought on the matter is enough to conclude that this has nothing to do with blood relations being more important?
They have to die in order to resurrect, so yes, they do want to kill them, even if not permanently. As for the two who killed Asa, they likely assumed either that she'd be too weakened from her death to do much or that her hands being bound would be enough.
With them being accused of being stuck in the past, the village itself is probably just where they want to stay so they can minimize their interactions with the outside world and stay where they can keep to a feudal lifestyle, not to mention it likely being the villagers' ancestral home.
The dots are there, you just don't seem to be putting in any effort to connect them. |
Yuru doesn't know the circumstance behind fake Asa. Like you said, he has no idea how much of a willing participant she was. Maybe she was mind controlled into believing he was her real brother, and real Asa just killed an innocent person. Maybe she know but went along because she had little other choice (she was imprison). Maybe she was an orphan and just needed some sort f family. Regardless of her motivation, is that really something she deserved to die for? Did real Asa know anything about her before she decided to kill her?
But it doesn't matter because Yuru just doesn't care. He asked 0 questions about her after she died. He spent 10 year of his life interacting with her, he sees her dies, and a few days later he's just hobnobbing with her killer. Isn't that insanely weird and just sociopathic? How do you turn a page over a 10 year relationship with someone this quickly. There are people who had extended dream/daydream about fake family/friend who eventually find out that they were fake and that seriously mess them up finding out, they need years of therapy. Here Yuru see who was, for all intent and purpose, his sister get killed, and he just doesn't care. W/e, he found his blood sister and that's what matters (ignore the fact that she participated in a mass murder).
Imagine you come back home one day to see a stranger kill your sibling, but they go "wait, I'm your real sibling and they weren't", would you really think about it for 2-3 days and just go "oh okay, I believe you and this person means nothing to me, lets hang out"?
The defining part of "killing" is the permanent part.
So the faction care so much about living in the past that they create a fake village and put up a barrier and a complex system to resupply it. BUT, none of their powerful people ever frequent the village so that its essentially defenseless at all time?
| Amuro1X wrote: | |
You're saying some very contradictory things. The village was behind an impenetrable barrier that only people with very specific information could enter, yet you then go on to say that Asa's power isn't very impressive. She literally facilitated the entire attack by breaking the barrier. Her Break ability works on physical objects and CONCEPTS. She can break a contract between a Daemon and their contractor. That alone is one of the single most broken things in existence. |
Barrier are very clearly not impenetrable, the one around the manor was breached without Asa power. But my point is that, while their power are impressive on small personal scale, they're really not worth all the trouble the various factions are going trough.
Even if a factions had access to both of Yuru and Asa power at will, it wouldn't really give them that much of a legs up (especially in a modern setting where gun/missiles and such are a thing). Certainly not worth a 400 year prophesy. They're nice to have but no big deal once you go to larger scale. Case in point, Asa has to spend her entire life hiding in a manor (although she did leave to attack the village and somehow we're suppose to believe that Higarashi is able to instantly organize an attack on her when she visit an hospital but are completely blind when they attack their headquarter).
Deamon contract aren't that big either, most deamon seem pretty vulnerable, regular weapon seems to function on most of them (Left/Right seems mostly impervious to weapon, but they were easily defeated by the turtle and rabbit deamon, so Asa power wouldn't really be necessary). It seems daemon still have to accept the new owner contract, so breaking a contract doesn't necessarily grant control of them, and a daemon could still act with hostility even without contract (imagine if the ying yang daemon really liked their master, they could have just killed Asa after she breaked their contract and just waited for the old master to come pick them back up).
I guess maybe her ability to break concepts could be crazy OP is she could like, break the concept of reality or or the concept of money or something like that, but there's not much sign she can do things like that (otherwise she could use it to break free of her situation or break the concept of Higarashi village). It seems like its just a powerful cannon ultimately.
I supposed its possible that something special happen when both power are active at once, but the faction that attack the village seem to think that it would have been okay if Yuru died, so they don't seem to care about the pair power.
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Sobe
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2026 11:10 pm |
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I haven't seen most of either FMA versions but I have seen Silver Spoon. I do know from reputation that FMA gets pretty dark and heavy so I wasn't surprised to see the first episode let alone the second episode of Yomi no Tsugai. I'm honestly very happy with Yomi no Tsugai so far from first to ninth episode. Every single episode has been a joy to watch.
I completely love the interaction between Bunbun/Usa-chan and Right/Migi in that parking garage.
That stare and then subsequent troll was absolute gold. I haven't guffawed that loud in a long time.
The way they set this up after Left's/Hidari's interaction with Haruo and Torty/Kame was genius.
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tintor2
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2026 6:52 am |
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Back to funny shenanigans in a reverse isekai. Asa really has a brother complex but at least it's not as far as other recent series went.
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Covnam
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2026 10:57 pm |
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| Quote: | | (Though, I am unsure as to why he didn't just take Yuru to a sporting goods store for the arrows. It's not like archery—especially traditional Japanese archery—isn't a normal thing in Japan.) |
Yes! Exactly. Not to mention that he'd probably enjoy using a modern bow.
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Keen Fox
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 4:47 am |
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Could someone please explain something to me?
On the first episode when the Kagemoris and Asa infiltrated the village and killed everyone, they did so because all the villagers wanted to harm Yuru or later kill him for his powers right?
So all the adult people in the Higashi village were evil people and have been scheming and had to die like this without question or the possibility that there could be some good people there?
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Meongantuk
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 5:18 am |
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| Covnam wrote: | | Quote: | | (Though, I am unsure as to why he didn't just take Yuru to a sporting goods store for the arrows. It's not like archery—especially traditional Japanese archery—isn't a normal thing in Japan.) |
Yes! Exactly. Not to mention that he'd probably enjoy using a modern bow. |
I don't think sport goods store sell lethal arrows... Arrows used for sports (including traditional archery) is different from hunting arrows.
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b-dragon
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 7:03 am |
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| Keen Fox wrote: | | Could someone please explain something to me?
On the first episode when the Kagemoris and Asa infiltrated the village and killed everyone, they did so because all the villagers wanted to harm Yuru or later kill him for his powers right?
So all the adult people in the Higashi village were evil people and have been scheming and had to die like this without question or the possibility that there could be some good people there? |
Well, all of them had accepted abusing and traumatizing Asa as a normal part of life. That's pretty self evident. How bad that makes them is up to you, I guess. And Asa was under the understanding that, yes, the "village" as a whole was responsible for sending killers after her, abducting her parents and brainwashing her brother (so yes, this is one of many reasons the Geneva convention argument from earlier was patently ridiculous. The "innocent civilians" aren't either of those things by the understanding of the characters.) How true some of this is...is unknown.
Let's disabuse some notions, yes? No one in the show is showing up to dinner without hands caked in blood. Yuru is nominally the most "innocent" of our main characters...and the lad's a bit red in tooth and claw. He's quite willing to be a hunter of the most dangerous game. A few posters seem stuck on moralizing...and judging by the posts, I'm not sure they enjoy the show now, or what it seems to want to be. If not, it might be time to drop it- I don't think it will magically change into clear good guys vs bad guys anytime soon.
I like the show. But I acknowledge that all the characters operate on rather a rather murky moral spectrum. To me, whether Asa- or Yuru, occasionally- is "right" is beside the point. Are their actions "understandable" is more interesting. So yes, I can empathize with the little girl who was kept in a dark cell for years, hunted down after her escape, had her family taken from her, and only finally snaps and goes on warpath when she's been actually killed, with the assassin pointing to the village entire as responsible for everything. If you can't...to be frank, I'm not sure the show's going to get better for you. I've not read ahead or anything, but given the arc of the narrative I expect the waters to muddy further before they clear.
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