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hitokiriizo



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:32 pm Reply with quote
Charred Knight wrote:
egoist wrote:
Charred Knight wrote:
and people wonder how the anime industry crashed in America. Looking at this topic frankly I can't see how it could ever recover.

Right. You see, England never did this bad for the past 60 years or more. I'm sure the USA isn't doing that nicely either, so that definitely has nothing to do with what you just said and meant, and whatever else there is.


Anime companies crash: Who cares I got fansubbing
Funimation edit's a nine year olds chest: The world's collapsing quick save yourself


the indestry itself is hurting and if the companies fail the indestry may collapse and poof! no more anime for the masses pirated or otherwise
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egoist



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:34 pm Reply with quote
Charred Knight wrote:
Anime companies crash: Who cares I got fansubbing
Funimation edit's a nine year olds chest: The world's collapsing quick save yourself

Good for you if you want to rely on fansubs. Though if anime companies crash anime will obviously disappear, genius.
As I've already said, this edit actually makes the anime better. So, yeah, whatever. I'll just stick my... chocolate cake up your... mouth's hole. Eat well, live well. My best wishes.
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brettlv5506



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:37 pm Reply with quote
hitokiriizo wrote:
Charred Knight wrote:
egoist wrote:
Charred Knight wrote:
and people wonder how the anime industry crashed in America. Looking at this topic frankly I can't see how it could ever recover.

Right. You see, England never did this bad for the past 60 years or more. I'm sure the USA isn't doing that nicely either, so that definitely has nothing to do with what you just said and meant, and whatever else there is.


Anime companies crash: Who cares I got fansubbing
Funimation edit's a nine year olds chest: The world's collapsing quick save yourself


the indestry itself is hurting and if the companies fail the indestry may collapse and poof! no more anime for the masses pirated or otherwise


I disagree to a point. Artists will continue to make art. That is just what they do. If the industry totally collapses then the artist will just find a different way to get their ideas out to the public. Will the general consumer feel the effect and some loss? Of course they will. Will the world and internet be totally devoid of anime? Not hardly.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:37 pm Reply with quote
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It's not that "some viewers will be offended". It's more like "some viewers will probably go to jail because of it". There's a fair difference here, that your hatred toward censorship is completely blinding you of, that it must be, indeed they certainly are.


Kinda like all the people who went to jail for owning the manga, right?

Oh wait...

Yes, so can people PLEASE stop saying people would go to jail or get in any kind of legal trouble if this was released uncensored?! It would NOT happen! And no one will get in trouble if they decide to import the Japanese BD release.

As Brian just said in the most recent Answerman column, there is a distinction between nude and somewhat provocative images of drawn apparent underage figures (like the works of Range Murata and the content of Vampire Bund) and explicit lolicon like what was in Handley's "gross pornography."
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Charred Knight



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:38 pm Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
Charred Knight wrote:
Anime companies crash: Who cares I got fansubbing
Funimation edit's a nine year olds chest: The world's collapsing quick save yourself

Good for you if you want to rely on fansubs. Though if anime companies crash anime will obviously disappear, genius.
As I've already said, this edit actually makes the anime better. So, yeah, whatever. I'll just stick my... chocolate cake up your... mouth's hole. Eat well, live well. My best wishes.


uh

what?

I haven't seen a fansub since SRW: Divine Wars, and before that Gurren lagann. I am highly against fansubs and scanslating, my point is that anime fans care more about censorship than the health of the anime industry itself.
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egoist



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:41 pm Reply with quote
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Yes, so can people PLEASE stop saying people would go to jail or get in any kind of legal trouble if this was released uncensored?! It would NOT happen! And no one will get in trouble if they decide to import the Japanese BD release.

As Brian just said in the most recent Answerman column, there is a distinction between nude and somewhat provocative images of drawn apparent underage figures (like the works of Range Murata and the content of Vampire Bund) and explicit lolicon like what was in Handley's "gross pornography."

Right. Bring us a letter from a lawyer saying the same thing, with his signature, name, and a guarantee that if people go to jail he will pay us a monthly fee of up to whatever he's paid. No matter, it's a 100% chance of getting a slave.

Charred Knight wrote:
anime fans care more about censorship than the health of the anime industry itself.

Oh, I do care about anime industry itself. And as far as I'm concerned, this is probably the closer to concern as it could get. Not that there's much to concern about. Concerning about stuff is ultimately as pointless as over-watering plants.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:42 pm Reply with quote
I choose not to be paranoid. I've already gone 'round the Handley/censorship discussion enough to know not to be that worried.

I'm not all that upset about this "editing" either. I think the whole situation is rather funny, actually. All the paranoia and outrage over a few wank scenes getting edited out due to pedo-laws in the U.S. It is really over-the-top. The show isn't even good, anyway.

I see all this outrage over this "censorship", but the way I perceive it is that outrage is less about "the principal of the thing" and more a about not getting fresh wank material. Funimation should have just stayed away from this title to begin with. Perhaps something good will come out of this and Funi won't bother with craptastic titles like this one in the future.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:54 pm Reply with quote
I'm curious. Those of you who say that what is being cut is pornographic, at what point does it become so for you? Is it the visual depiction of a pre-pubescent's chest? Is it the fact that another person is touching it? Does the circumstances of that contact or any other element in the scene factor into your labeling of it as pornographic? You can't just say "I know porn when I see it," because that's a non-answer. What makes this porn, but a picture of a kid naked in a bathtub (no genitals visible) not porn.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:56 pm Reply with quote
I don't think anybody really thinks the content of this show is pornographic. Just very risque.
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otimus



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:57 pm Reply with quote
Frankly, if it had content like that, they shouldn't have licensed it in the first place!
Don't fuel the loli love machine, Funimation!

Right when I saw this topic on my RSS feed, I just new it'd have a ton of replies in the comments Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:57 pm Reply with quote
tuxedocat wrote:
I choose not to be paranoid. I've already gone 'round the Handley/censorship discussion enough to know not to be that worried.

I'm not all that upset about this "editing" either. I think the whole situation is rather funny, actually. All the paranoia and outrage over a few wank scenes getting edited out due to pedo-laws in the U.S. It is really over-the-top. The show isn't even good, anyway.

I see all this outrage over this "censorship", but the way I perceive it is that outrage is less about "the principal of the thing" and more a about not getting fresh wank material. Funimation should have just stayed away from this title to begin with. Perhaps something good will come out of this and Funi won't bother with craptastic titles like this one in the future.


It's an excellent title so don't do it bad publicity. It got censored because it has brutal and primal instincts shown, and some unrestrained nudity in the storytelling in a dark vampire story but there is no sex scenes that would burn you guys american prude eyes ...so to speak.
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Takeyo



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:59 pm Reply with quote
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Are you implying that Funimation is currently swimming on a golden river, and that it could afford not just lawyers to defend against the government's accusations, but also the clients who could possibly sue the company for showing something that immoral on their DVDs? You know, unlike some unknown doujinshi, Funimation aims to hit a wide audience, including possible new buyers, or people new to anime. Audience that would definitely be offended by that video, and could possibly not just accuse them of child pornography, but could also sue the company.

No, I am not. I am suggesting that Funimation and its parent company have the resources to protect themselves from bully by over-zealous prosecutors and from potential civil cases that should be laughed out of court assuming Funi were to properly label and market this release to adults only. I'm sure there are some folks out there who tried to sue Rockstar Games for GTA, but it and its owners seem to be doing alright.

Again, you seem to be judging potential new buyers as a monolithic bloc that would be universally offended by by the graphic, fictional depiction of a character who appears to minor. I like to believe that it would depend on the individual buyer, and given my off-hand impression of the kinds of people who would be drawn to this release (I'm guessing vampire-lovers and/or lolicons), a good percentage, would not take offense.

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You see, it's not like I'm perfectly fine with how this society works. No matter what you think about it, for a big company like that, it was either come edited, or not come at all. Whine as much as you want, these are facts, that they are, that they certainly must be.
It's not about art, it's about money! Money is everything!

I'm not sure I would describe my posts as whining. I apologize if they appear that way. I also never intended to suggest Funimation was interested in anything other than increasing its sales figures. I do advocate speaking out against censorship. It may seem like a waste of effort, but at least it gives me the satisfaction of holding to my own ideals.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:02 pm Reply with quote
This is where fansubs are still an essential component to the fan's lifestyle. Make it palatable for Region 1/A audiences so that the money can be made. Then the underground circle circulates the valuable "uncut" version, until Funi decides to go ahead and re-release the title in the "uncut" version.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:04 pm Reply with quote
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If fans want to see it uncut, they can always go back to the fansubs.

Are you freakin' kidding me?!!! Screw that.

sheentaku wrote:
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Dance in the Vampire Bund” is a complex and dark drama cited by press and fans as one of the best anime series out of Japan this season.


Its one of the biggest disappointments this seasons you pillocks. Even fans of the manga hate it.

Yeah, I was thinking that. If even I haven't heard of this, then it must really suck balls. Or at least as much as any other pointless lol-fest. Does anybody know? Was this a fun show? Is there even a point releasing it if it's going to be edited? I guessing the only reason they CAN edit it is because nobody actually gives a DAMN about this show. Thus we again arrive at the question: Why bother?

naruhodo569 wrote:
Granted I haven't actually seen the series but it would have to be VERY graphic to warrant any edits.

If it was really that graphic, why release it at all? If you're morally opposed to something then don't just bring it out anyway. You can't just change it into something else so that you like it, and then pretend that there was never anything nefarious going on in the first place...

And is this the most ambivalent bunch of nonsense you're ever heard or what?
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We have determined the series contains controversial elements which, when taken out of context, could be objectionable to some audiences.

Then why are you selling it to those audiences, morons?!
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These are scenes which are inappropriate for U.S. viewing and are not essential to the storyline.

Oh sure, "These are scenes which are inappropriate for U.S. viewing." But they're totally appropriate in Japan, right?

Karisu wrote:
When the quality of the 'free' version is significantly better than the one you have to pay for; there is an issue.

Well, I don't know if I'd call it "quality," but there certainly is an issue.
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What my question is, are they planning to just pixellate the controversial scenes or are the removing complete scenes from the show?
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