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Ssj Rock Lee



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:49 pm Reply with quote
Well I bought the first PeaceMaker dvd the other day and watched it. So far i'm a little dissapointed, I thought it would be a little better then this so far. But I have only seen the first dvd which has eps 1-4 so I wanted to know if it got any better, like more action? or maybe a little more serious or dramatic, something like that? Or is the problem just that im watching the series dubbed so far?
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kusanagi-sama



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:33 pm Reply with quote
It gets quite a bit better.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:30 pm Reply with quote
Ssj Rock Lee wrote:
Or is the problem just that im watching the series dubbed so far?

Could be, especially in episode 3 where all of the townsfolk are no longer Japanese, but Texans, instead.

I also find a few of the main characters as lacking in both emotion and bass (in their voices). Okita vaguely sounds like Michael Jackson to me.

In any case, I'm not going to continue ranting since it probably won't convince you otherwise. I'll just say if you have a surround sound system and sub woofer, I'd suggest watching it again in Japanese and turning the sound up a bit. I feel there is quite a difference.
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Tenchi



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:46 pm Reply with quote
No, Peacemaker is still a sub-par action movie from 1997 starring George Clooney that had one pretty cool nuclear explosion sequence but absolutely nothing else worth remembering. (Okay, to be more precise, the nuclear explosion was all I actually remember about that film.)

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DriftRoot



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:17 pm Reply with quote
The series does get better, but probably not in any of the ways you're hoping. A lot of this series I only vaguely remember because so many of the points are drawn out long past reason. What was done in (26?) episodes could have been done in far less and with much greater impact.

spoiler[Despite the red hair, Kurogane's no Kenshin and will not tumble headlong into the ways of his warrior campatriots. Be prepared to see him become startlingly anti-violence.]

Also, the action-factor of the series is, IMO, way down the list, behind the meaning of friendship, the search for personal fulfillment and moral values. Don't hold your breath waiting for awesome action, there will be some, but a lot of it you've already seen and most of the rest is more implied, than shown.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:20 pm Reply with quote
Tenchi wrote:
No, Peacemaker is still a sub-par action movie from 1997 starring George Clooney that had one pretty cool nuclear explosion sequence but absolutely nothing else worth remembering. (Okay, to be more precise, the nuclear explosion was all I actually remember about that film.)

Which is why this anime should be called Peace Maker Kurogane, not to be confused with George Clooney and Nicole Kidman's "Peacemaker," otherwise, you'll pull up both titles when searching on Deep Discount DVD.
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Mitsuhide A.



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:40 pm Reply with quote
I bought the first DVD about 2 weeks ago and from what I've seen (2 eps) its pretty good. As of right now I've given it the usual first DVD pardon that i give to most other series for the expected exposition and what not. My major gripe thus far has been Okitas depiction in the series. Compared to what I've seen of him in the Kenshin OVA, (i think they refer to the same person) he lacks all aggression and ferocity and for me, the two best action scenes in the Trust and Betrayal OVAs involve Okita. So watching Okita being illustrated in a more feminine manner is a bit dissapointing. Other than than though, i think that the story is headed in the right direction even if appears to be a bit cliche.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:06 pm Reply with quote
Mitsuhide A. wrote:
My major gripe thus far has been Okitas depiction in the series. Compared to what I've seen of him in the Kenshin OVA, (i think they refer to the same person) he lacks all aggression and ferocity and for me, the two best action scenes in the Trust and Betrayal OVAs involve Okita. So watching Okita being illustrated in a more feminine manner is a bit dissapointing.

Well just as a comment, I remember reading a very small biography on Okita and what he supposedly was like in real life. It actually did say something about him having very feminine features and possessing somewhat of a "pretty boy" personality as well. This of course isn't official since I found it on a Google search, but who knows, right?
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balla



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:15 pm Reply with quote
What do you feel would be different if they tied this series closer together with the Kenshin Universe as I have not seen it and because I hear references to characters in Kenshin that is why I might watch this.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:32 pm Reply with quote
balla wrote:
What do you feel would be different if they tied this series closer together with the Kenshin Universe as I have not seen it and because I hear references to characters in Kenshin that is why I might watch this.

Well if you mean how the two would compare, then I'd say they're pretty different.

First of all, the timelines are a good years apart. Kenshin TV is after the Bakumatsu where as PMK is during that period. So if you want, I guess you could compare the timeline of PMK to Tsuioku-hen.

Second, from what I've seen on the first volume, PMK also seems to have a little less slapstick humor as in Kenshin. There are some subtle jokes, but they consist mostly of situational satire. It's a bit more on the serious side.

Third, the action is much more violent. A good example is at the end of episode 1. When I first saw it, I was able to easily compare it to the likes of Ninja Scroll (the movie) or Samurai Champloo in terms of animation. In other words, clean, quick, and somewhat graphic.

And finally, I don't know how far this will go in further episodes, but PMK seems to have a more supernatural element as well. I won't go into detail, but let me just say a certain person has a bit of a sixth sense, one of the villains possess shikigami (those little spirit scrolls), and I think there was another villain that might possibly be a demon. But don't worry, it's only for about half of the last episode (ep. 4) in which you'll see this.

Overall, I feel you in particular will find this series at least somewhat enjoyable. I've heard some people say this series even surpasses Kenshin in some aspects. Although I won't say it's that good yet, I feel it's at least worth adding to the collection.

If you decide to get it, I'd recommend Vol.1 + the artbox, as it also comes with Volume 1 of the manga too.

Oh yes, and to further my griping, I'd suggest it subbed.
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