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oSAKApower
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I've been wondering for a while: why are so many people so against Inuyasha? I, for one, really like the manga, but I am constantly hearing comments like "an anime made of fillers" and "ehhhhh....." Can anyone shed some light on this matter for me?
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Tamaria
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1. Fangirls. Rabid fangirls ruin everything.
2. Rumiko Takahashi. Though there are some exceptions, her series are notorious for running forever and ever and then ending with a blah ending. Basically people dislike the series (especially the anime) because fangirls think it's the best thing ever even though there are much better things. The haters are trying to bring the balance back. Is the show overrated? Hate it in the name of balance! Is the show underrated? Love it and brainwash people with your propaganda in the name of balance! |
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ikillchicken
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You posted this in the manga section but you're mentioning the anime. Which are you talking about?
The hate seems to be primarily directed at the anime and it's fairly justified in my opinion. Well, sort of anyway. I actually quite like the first season or two of it. After that though it goes massively down hill. So much of it is just generic and pointless. The villain disappears for like most of the series, there's no resolution even when he does turn up. The character's development stalls and just goes in circles. In fact, the whole series pretty much stalls and goes nowhere. |
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Key
Moderator
 Posts: 19175 Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley) |
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Given that the discussion seems to mostly be about the anime, this is getting moved. |
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Mushi-Man
 Posts: 1537 Location: KCMO |
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There are many reasons why people (such as myself) don't like Inuyasha. One, it's a endless cycle of plot wholes and fillers that cause a lot of people to get annoyed by it. Two, personally I didn't find this series to be very good at all in the first place. The story didn't interest me and the characters were predictable. Three, lack of character development. After they initially introduce the characters there's not really any new character development. It just kind of drags and beats out the same character back story over and over and over again. Five, as Tamaria said before, fan girls tend to ruin a lot of stuff. I think that gets the general points across as to why I don't like the series.
But don't think your the soul fan or anything, your not alone. I know plenty of die hard fans out there so don't feel to bad. For every anime that you like, there are people who don't. |
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Sloober
Posts: 58 Location: Wisconsin |
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Used to like it, at least somewhat. I think its heyday was the first two seasons. After that it was formulaic fight - defeat - train so on and so forth, or come up with new ability to WIN. Not that it's terrible for that, i mean, that's essentially the gist of several other series out there that have a protagonist that is essentially capable of destroying the planet with their pinky if only they'd realize their true strength (and so on and so forth).
Not a huge amount of character development as mentioned, and subplots that end like a cliff. I think this series is what resolved me to mainly ignore the endless ones in favor of others with actual endings. That and, yeah, the ending was horrible. Regardless of the link with the manga i think it deserved a lot better than "and so they go on and on doing the same thing over and over again". |
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fighterholic
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There are several reasons for why the series receives much hate, although they've been pointed out by others I think I myself can point them out too. As mentioned, rabid fangirls, but I also think fanboys are also involved with it too. I saw one Inuyasha cosplay group at Anime Expo once, plenty of Inuyshas, Kagomes, which included one as big as a house, Sangos, Mirokus, and Sesshoumarus. So, they are one factor that has to do with it. Secondly, as has been pointed out, is the drawing out of the series as a whole. There are fillers, but the manga material itself also presents a filler aspect to the series, as the manga drew out to over fifty volumes. Though that is a bit irrelevant for this topic. The series still went out to be long and pointless, because every time you would think that something was over, somehow either Kagome or Inuyasha was going to die, or Kagome had to be saved, more crystals, etc.
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Xanas
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Fans... fans.. fans.. I don't understand hating something because of the fans of it.
Anyway, as for myself I really need to re-watch Inuyasha, but when I started watching it as one of my first series, I really liked the entire thing including most of the filler episodes. The development is very slow but I would say it's wrong to say it's non-existent. Inuyasha starts out as this character who doesn't care about anyone but becomes very protective of everyone. And I think the group really becomes pretty tight in a very friend-oriented/family kind of way. It's very slow in progress on any kind of romantic front, and I think even to the point where that is flat out ridiculous at points, but most of the characters are portrayed as being fairly young so I can understand commitments being something that is unusual for them (if I recall Kagome is only 14). I think longer running series always will be a bit lighter weight in terms of plot and character developments in order to play out a lot of different events. And I'm fine with that personally as long as those events and the character interactions are entertaining. I think for the most part they were, but I understand some like shorter stories. The advantage of a short series is you can go through a small sequence of events with a lot of emotional and dramatic weight without overburdening the viewer, boring them or leaving them tired. But, on the other hand you don't get into this real fantasy world development that a long series provides. I think of it in a way like comparing a well-designed MMORPG vs a well made action game. In the case of the former, you get to do so many things but it's kind of dry on plot. In the case of the latter, you get a lot more plot, but you don't really have that many options and things to do. |
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penguintruth
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I started off really enjoying Inu Yasha, back in its early episodes. I even enjoyed it later on, through the Band of Seven arc. But then I lost interest. There are several reasons why, many of them have probably been pointed out.
My biggest problem is, I felt like the original author of the manga didn't know exactly what to do with the story. Is it about Inu Yasha and the gang going around meeting different demons and people from that era, collecting jewel shards, making friends and enemies? Is it about a girl who comes back into the past and has to deal with living in the past and the situations she gets in? Is it a show about a gang of adventurers who are trying to stop a mad demon from taking over the world with the power of the Shikon Jewel? Maybe this is my fault, but I thought that the Naraku thing was going to be finished up shortly before it started. I thought he was a pretty clever villian, but that there had to be more to the story than Inu Yasha versus Naraku and his group, because there was so much potential to explore other things. However, the same encounters were repeated constantly and I ended up just wanting to get them over with. I wasn't sure what I wanted- the filler episodes were more like what I expected of the series, but they had powered up Inu Yasha so much that whenever he had trouble dealing with minor problems I got frustrated, demanding more of the fight with Naraku. But when I got Naraku, it was just the same fight over and over again. If the whole thing had ended at the Mount Hakurei/Band of Seven arc, it might have come off as being a decent story overall, but it didn't, it kept going and going, to the point where the anime stopped and the manga still continued and I read some of that and it still didn't stop. By the time the IY manga ended, I really, really didn't care. It was just plain too long, and wasted a lot of its potential with one group of the same villains and the same encounters. Here I thought Sesshomaru was going to be the main antagonist and Naraku would be one of several arc bosses. I guess I was very wrong. It would have been so much better that way, I think. |
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LydiaDianne
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I'm going to agree with what a lot of the others have said.
I enjoyed Inu Yasha. I really did. But, I can't stand it now. It drives me nuts. With Inuyasha not being able to make up his damn mind as to who the hell he wants - Kagome or Kikyo, to the endless fighting and not getting anywhere. Plus there was the fact that after 165 episodes, it just...stopped. Period. Naraku spoiler[wasn't dead, they hadn't gotten all of the jewel shards, Sango's brother was still running around being Naraku's dog and not wanting to remember what he'd done, etc, etc and so on.] And to have all that and to just stop, well that's what pissed off a lot of people. I have seen other stories that have just stopped - Ghost Hunt and Trinity Blood come immidietly to mind. But GH had satisfactorily completed the story arc and had brought it to a conclusion. Would I like to have seen more of it? Yes. But the ending did not leave me hanging. As for TB, the original author died. Yes, the anime ending showed Able and the Earl of Memphis spoiler[obviously going out to hunt for Able's brother Cain, ]but for some reason I was okay with the ending. Perhaps because the arc had concluded and they would have had to have started a new arc. |
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Top Gun
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I can't really say that I started off enjoying the series "at the beginning," since the first set of episodes I saw were right in the middle of the series and happened to be mostly filler-ish in nature, but I did enjoy it well enough at first for what it was. When I finally did get the chance to see the beginning season or two, I enjoyed finally learning everyone's backstories (or at least the portions I hadn't already seen via flashbacks) significantly, and I can emphatically say that the Band of Seven arc was by far my favorite part of the show. But as the episodes dragged on after that, and even more pressingly, as I watched reruns of various chunks of the show via [adult swim]'s old weekday repeats, I began to realize that, even for a generic shounen (or a thinly-disguised shoujo?), there were some major flaws going on.
As others have said, the largest problem I have with the show is that the characters are so frustratingly stagnant. Sure, as Xanas alluded to, they do change somewhat from their initial introductions, but that's only true to a point. Once the main group congeals into that happy friends/family bunch, any and all development grinds to a halt. By the end of the series, Miroku is still groping Sango and/or any other woman in sight, Inuyasha is still completely indecisive as to whether he should love the walking corpse of his past or the nagging teenager of his present, Kagome is still acting insanely irrationally jealous at the mere mention of Kikyo's name, Naraku is still pulling his generic villain tricks, and Shippo is still horrifically annoying. Nothing changes, not even when there's reason for it to change. No matter what ups and downs they go through, particularly involving Kikyo, Inuyasha and Kagome's relationship never progresses beyond that annoying jealousy, do-I-or-don't-I, which-one-do-I-love, hint-hint stage, even right up until the end. And even after Miroku spoiler[proposes to Sango], he's just as firmly ingrained in his booty-grabbing ways as before. The only characters that seemed to get any prolonged development were minor ones such as Sesshomaru, Kagura, and Kohaku, but they weren't on-screen enough to make much of an impact in the end. Another problem is that the show is drawn out so thin over so many episodes. Many of the "canon" anime episodes were so nebulous, it was often difficult to tell just exactly what was "filler" and what wasn't. (Well, with the exception of such massive stand-outs as freeze-dried demons and the Heart Scar...but I often found such episodes most enjoyable just because of how ridiculously awful they were.) There was no call at all for the series to be 167 episodes long, especially considering that it never wound up going anywhere in the end. I know that most long-running shounen shows (with the shining exception of One Piece) generally handle their inevitable filler episodes in a rather clumsy way, but given how dragged-out the original story was to begin with, Inuyasha's use of them was particularly frustrating. Closely tied into that dragged-out feel was just how frustratingly repetitive so much of the show was. I could excuse that during the demon-of-the-week shard-hunting portion at the start of the series, but once Naraku was introduced, I was expecting the show to start going somewhere interesting. Instead, it wound up falling into the same old pattern, repeated several times throughout the course of the show. Inuyasha and company come across some issue related to Naraku. They fight through some obstacles keeping them from encountering Naraku. Inuyasha may or may not need some sort of Tessaiga upgrade in order to face whatever form Naraku is in at the time. Inuyasha finally confronts Naraku and uses his most powerful technique du jour, the one that's guaranteed to kill him...except it never does. Naraku always escapes, largely unharmed, and usually even stronger in the end. That's the show's entire formula. Just about all of the villains in the show fall into one of two categories: they're either mindless grunts that are nothing more than Windscar fodder, or they're Naraku/Naraku-level demigods who have no hope of ever being defeated. There's never any suspense in any of those particular encounters, because you know Naraku will always come out on top. The sole exception to this rule, and my favorite villains in the series, were the Band of Seven...they managed to provide a potent and compelling threat to the main characters without being subject to Naraku's invulnerable plot armor. And the ending...dear lord, that ending. I'd thankfully been spoiled on the way it would turn out long before, and I honestly didn't care all that much by that point, but if someone was actually completely invested in the show and hadn't seen it coming, it must have been a massive ball-breaker. There's nothing worse than an adaptation that picks some arbitrary point to shoot a forced smile to the fans, say "Thanks for riding along with us! Keep buying the manga!", and...stop. If you're not going to go on hiatus until the manga jumps ahead a sufficient amount, please, for the love of God, make up some anime-original ending that gives at least some level of closure. The perhaps somewhat-masochistic side of me would actually love for the show to continue in some form, whether it's a new series or a few OVAs, just so I feel like sitting through those 167 episodes wasn't largely a waste. Now, in the end, I don't really hate the show at all, and I'll still derive at least some measure of enjoyment from watching the odd episode or two. Hell, at least part of me feels like I'd be willing to start picking up the boxsets if I stumbled across them for a low enough price. But overall, I view the whole series as largely disappointing. If it had done far more than it did with its premise and characters, if it hadn't been stretched so thin or dragged on for so long, and certainly if it had managed to conclude in some way other than that godawful "read the manga!" ending, then maybe I'd look back on it more favorably. And from what I've heard, putting aside the anime's filler episodes, the original manga was subject to many of the same issues, which makes me even more sour toward the franchise as a whole. |
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eyeresist
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I only watched the first volume, and "generic and pointless" was exactly my impression. There was nothing fresh or inspired, no hint that the characters and situations were anything more than cynical creations to produce some anime "product". Based on what everyone's said here, I feel some pride in spotting this show's flaws so early and not wasting so many hours of my life. |
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Kruszer
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Well, I don't hate it, personally. It was actually very good most of time when it wasn't recycling the same plot over again. I really liked the main cast members and was hoping for some resolution before the series was done. Alas it was not to be, which is my major and pretty much only gripe with the series.
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ikillchicken
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Uh yeah, if you read my whole post I actually said that for the first season or two it was pretty good. It starts with a decent premise. It's actually a pretty dark and bloody with a decent atmosphere. The characters are not exactly brilliant but they're reasonably interesting Most importantly they're not super annoying and actually rather fun. The villains are notably cool. The action is solid. There's a decent amount of plot development even despite the semi-frequent standalone monster of the week episodes. But... After that it gets repetitive and pointless. The character's relationships stagnate. They quickly become annoying. The show loses any atmosphere. It sort of shifts to a much less dark and more lighthearted feel. (I swear the color scheme literally gets cranked way up). It loses any degree of plot progression. New characters are pointless and lame. So yeah. If you're saying it was bad right off the bat I don't really agree at all. I mean, if you disagree, that's cool. It just seems a bit odd though that you're talking like you are agreeing with me when you're actually not. |
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Ai no Kareshi
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I never understood this either, until two relatively recent developments in my life as an anime fan. The first encounter involved my first all-time favourite anime Final Fantasy: Unlimited. While I was studying the "after material", I thought I would share them with my fellow fans. It took me a while, but I was finally able to pinpoint a forum of FF:U fans, and I started sharing my love for the series. Disgusted was I when I realized basically all of them consisted of twisted yaoi fangirls who insist that every male character is gay, and one particularly vocal "fan" who would condemn me to hell for denying this. In this case, I was able to save my love by severing all ties with this sick community. The second case is much less extreme, but it's closer to home. I love Gundam Seed and to this day praise it as one of the best anime I have ever seen. To maintain this view of the series has been a struggle, though, because of a certain fangirl's over-the-top obsession with one of the characters. Honestly, all I see when I watch the series now is him. The horrid sequel didn't help, as she worships it as animated gold for all the extra exposure her idol got despite its complete lack of plot or consistency (including the reset of this very character she so adores). In this case, the problem can't be solved by severing ties, as this fan is close family. This is but one example of how fans can spoil something for you. |
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