Forum - View topicInsult to the creators of Astro Boy and Cyborg 009?
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Ktimene's Lover
 Posts: 2242 Location: Glendale, AZ (Proudly living in the desert) |
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Of the major manga-ka that have had licensed English translations of their manga, IMHO the two most important are Tezuka and Ishinomori. While Tezuka has maintained a fairly strong fanbase the past 4 decades, Ishinomori's popularity lies mainly with the Americanizations of Super Sentai. However, these two men were the mang-ka. So, why is it they have not achieved as much mainstream recognition as, say, Rumiko Takahashi or CLAMP? I find it rather insulting that they haven't?
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Tamaria
 Posts: 1512 Location: De Achterhoek |
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I guess it's because most of their works are really old. Cyborg 009 and the like appeals more to nostalgic adults than to children nowadays. It's too bad their works aren't more popular, but it's not as if you can force people to like the classics.
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Highway Star
 Posts: 227 Location: Ireland |
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There aren't many thematic and aesthetic differences between vintage Shojo and modern Shojo, so its all pretty marketable; whereas on the Shonen side of things, content and art has gone through so many changes over the years.
I love Cyborg 009 regardless; I get a kick out of the old style of cartooning, and it has way more heart and soul than present-day Jump fare could ever have too! Wouldn't mind seeing a reprint from Vertical, although the Tokyopop editions do the job and are still easily found anyway... |
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Ktimene's Lover
Posts: 2242 Location: Glendale, AZ (Proudly living in the desert) |
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To be honest, I preferred the dubbed version vs. the Japanese version of the 2001 series.
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Soundmonkey44
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I wish Tezuka's stuff was more popular as well, I would kill to be able to find copies of the Astro-boy & Cybory 009 Manga in stores. (not that I'm against buying manga online...I just don't like paying the overpriced Shipping & Handeling charges that many sites charge.)
I mean I know Amazon does the free shipping with orders 25 dollars or more, but I usually only buy about 2 manga at a time. lol. but yea BOT: TEZUKA's works deserve more recognition, but they are pretty old, and sadly the new Astro-boy film didn't really help his or his properites popularity much. |
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KumarSivasubramanian
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Actually, I am quite grateful for the Tezuka stuff that IS available, especially from Vertical: Blackjack, Buddha, Phoenix, Kirihito, MW, Apollo's Song... Some of those are pretty esoteric by Western standards, but they also number among Tezuka's best works. We should count our blessings.
As for Ishinomori... if only some of the anime versions of his work had aired in the West in the 60s, that would probably have been grounds enough for someone to license some manga as well. It's unbalanced, but I don't see how it can be righted, and I don't know which publisher's catalog his manga would sit comfortably in. Market forces, what are you gonna do? KS |
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Paploo
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Tezuka had a cameo in the Astro Boy movie. He's pretty well loved by hardcore fans, and the general public is more aware of him and his works then just about any work out there [there's more people ages 30-60 who know and like AstroBoy then say, YuGiOh or flavourofthemonth/Haruhi]. So I'd say he's gotten his due, and will continue to be appreciated. I think it's moreso that we're now seeing a wider array of his works, and apparently they are doing well for Vertical, so we'll see more.
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IncompetentOverlord
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I absolutely agree. The problem is that Tezuka's designs don't really look like they'd be able to perform stylish action sequences. They seem more suited to frolicking with Mickey and Betty Boop than to kicking robot ass. You have to actually pick up a book and READ it to get Tezuka's classic Siegel and Shuster-style fights.
As for Ishinomori and Cyborg 009, I can only attribute it to the fact that most people are idiots. Who looks at 007/Great Britain and DOESN'T think "Now that's a character that can fudge shit up". |
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GloriousMaximus
 Posts: 138 Location: North America |
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I guess the reason they aren't as popular as Takahashi and CLAMP... well gee I have no idea, the only thing I can think of is that Ishinomori and Tezuka haven't come out with anything recently, mainly because... well they've passed away, and it wasn't like they've passed away recently either. Tezuka died in 1989 and Ishinomori passed away in 1998. I'm sure old school fans and collectors are interested in both, and mech fans should definitely know about Ishinomori. And their designs don't match those Shonen Jump/Shojo Beat styles that are pretty popular these days.
Otherwise, I have no idea why Tezuka isn't more well known and appreciated in North America. He's a flippin legend and helped make anime what it is today. And Ishinomori helped shape sci-fi anime, super sentai, etc. |
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IncompetentOverlord
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No, he hasn't. Where can you find the average anime fan, no matter what age, who has seen Phoenix, Black Jack, or Ode to Kirihito? Pretty much nowhere. |
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Tamaria
Posts: 1512 Location: De Achterhoek |
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Japan? Well, Ode to Kirihito probably isn't that wellknown, but Black Jack is more or less a manga icon.
But it's unfair to compare America/Europe to Japan. Manga is relatively new here and it has never been a part of society like it is in Japan. I'm have no right to complain that Franquin isn't widely read in the US, right? Or that the Japanese aren't familiar with Golden Age comics, correct? |
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Jaymie
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Most Anime/Manga fans are only into newer stuff. Takahashi and CLAMP only get recognition because of their recent hits, plus them still being alive and having ongoing series helps as well.
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fightbait
 Posts: 35 Location: Blaine, MN |
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Tezuka has been getting decent treatment lately thanks to Vertical. The same can't be said of Ishinomori though. However, you're forgetting someone--Go Nagai. Has any of his manga been released over here?
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Paploo
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He published original Mazinger Z and Devilman comics here in the 80's himself [and did a little work for Marvel btw- they even published some Star Wars sketches of his in one of their anthology magazines in the 70's], then VIZ trasnlated soem of Getter Robo as Venger Robo, Studio Ironcat did Cutey Honey 90', Verotik did some of Devilman, and Kodansha did a bilingual ed of the original and remake Devilman series that you can find if you look around enough. Jason Thompson reviewed it in his column here not too long ago. More getting publishers depends on the market and Dynamic Pro. A TON of his anime/liveactionfilms have been translated though by Manga Ent, ADV Films, Media Blasters and Bandai Ent, so he is by no means unknown here. |
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fightbait
Posts: 35 Location: Blaine, MN |
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I've seen most of the Go Nagai anime that has been released over here, actually. But I had no idea about all the manga. Thanks for the info.
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