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kusanagi-sama



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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 11:05 pm Reply with quote
From AnimeonDVD:
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Tenjho Tenge Manga Remains Edited (04:10 PM EDT): Despite numerous protests, letters, emails and columns across the internet and newspapers calling DC Comics out on their editing of the Tenjho Tenge series, it appears it's made zero impact with them. According to the latest solicitation from DC Comics, they're continuing to market it to a 13/teen audience as well as including this lovely little tidbit: "Retailers please note: This title has been edited for U.S. release."

With the previous tactics having not worked, all that can be done at this point is to continue to actively tell people to not buy it and to stand by those words for everyone else. Other than mentioning any news related to the release, this series will not be reviewed here.
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 11:14 pm Reply with quote
Anybody know where to find scanlations for the series past volume 10?




Yeah, I don't normally advocate fansubs & scanlations over the official domestic release, but Toei and now DC Comics have made my Shit List. Not even 4Kids managed to sink that low.
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 11:43 pm Reply with quote
A lot of the TenTen scanlations have been removed off the net since the announcement of DC/CMX buying the rights to it.

Personally, I think it's nothing to get overwhelming upset about. There are certain issues in American publication that most people are not aware of. Even if it was unedited, it's pretty much like porn/hentai/insert whatever term you like here. Even if it was shrinked-wrap, the fact is it's the same. It's being sold at general bookstores, comic books stores, etc. However it's adult material and general adult material is usually associated with porn or hardcore violence. If you look at all the books at Borders or Waldenbooks, they have material that the general majority would enjoy even those with controversial issues.

For instance, written works by Poppy Z. Brite would involve homosexuality or cannibalism of murdered gay victims. However, it's not told in a step-by-step procedure to the smallest detail which allows it to be on the shelves as the way it is. Consquently, Tenjo Tenge illustrate sexual scenes to the greatest detail to what some people would believe may teach readers to act this way. The less information shown, the less people would learn from what they read. I think that was the main concern that lead to the edits.

After all, they can't stop certain teens from buying it online even if it is wrapped in plastic and I don't think they don't want to be held responsible to avoid additional hate mail from not only the hardcore TenTen fans but any noob's parents who buys it for their kid. There is a lot of debatable issues about how they handle the manga, but you have to remember what kind of society we live in. There are fundamentalists of every kind, some who do the extreme to accomplish something. It's kinda dangerous to touch that area.
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 11:49 pm Reply with quote
Nagisa wrote:
Anybody know where to find scanlations for the series past volume 10?




Yeah, I don't normally advocate fansubs & scanlations over the official domestic release, but Toei and now DC Comics have made my Shit List. Not even 4Kids managed to sink that low.


Come on now, you know it's against the rules. It's setting a bad example for everyone else.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:16 am Reply with quote
darkhunter wrote:
Come on now, you know it's against the rules.


Of course, and were this a proper release I'd have DC's back like I often do with ADV, FUNimation, 4Kids, Bandai, Geneon, etc. But this isn't like ADV offering an uncut property at 2 episodes per disc at below regular MSRP, and this isn't like 4Kids taking a children's show and cleaning it up to match the same demographic. This is blatant censorship that the existing fanbase was never made aware of until the day of release. This is the sort of shit we had to put up with nearly a decade ago, and the domestic industry SHOULD have long grown out of it. We don't need to put up with one company doing things ass-backwards anymore.

darkhunter wrote:
It's setting a bad example for everyone else.


Protesting an unacceptable release by encouraging people to hit DC where they'll feel it most (their pockets) doesn't seem like a "bad" example necessarily. This isn't 1998, this shouldn't be happening, and we shouldn't have to put up with it.


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kusanagi-sama



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:17 am Reply with quote
Nagisa wrote:
darkhunter wrote:
Come on now, you know it's against the rules.


Of course, and were this a proper release I'd have DC's back like I often do with ADV, FUNimation, 4Kids, Bandai, Geneon, etc.

darkhunter wrote:
It's setting a bad example for everyone else.


Protesting an unacceptable release by encouraging people to hit DC where they'll feel it most (their pockets) doesn't seem like a "bad" example necessarily. This isn't 1998, this shouldn't be happening, and we shouldn't have to put up with it.


Why? What happened in 1998?
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:22 am Reply with quote
kusanagi-sama wrote:
Why? What happened in 1998?


The "dark age" of American-published manga. Sad
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:24 am Reply with quote
Yeah, censorship like what's being seen with Tenjou Tenge was much more commonplace, if not worse. That does not need to be revisited.
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kusanagi-sama



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:26 am Reply with quote
Cloe wrote:
kusanagi-sama wrote:
Why? What happened in 1998?


The "dark age" of American-published manga. Sad


Tell me, of some of the things that occured in this dark age.

Oh, and DC comics is an entirely different animal than the rest of the manga industry. Their primary business focus is to produce, distribute and sell American comics (Spiderman, Superman, Batman, ect). Because of this, they still have that mindset that even if it is a manga, it should only be marketed to kids, like the mindset that animation is for kids.

Don't get it wrong here, I don't support them for what they are doing to Tenjho Tenge. If fact I don't believe in censorship because it is others telling us how to think and not think for ourselves (and oddly enough, I'm a fundamental independant Baptist).

HOWEVER

There is a time and place for everything, and due to the type of society we live in, this is sometimes necessary.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:36 am Reply with quote
Nagisa wrote:
darkhunter wrote:
Come on now, you know it's against the rules.


Of course, and were this a proper release I'd have DC's back like I often do with ADV, FUNimation, 4Kids, Bandai, Geneon, etc. But this isn't like ADV offering an uncut property at 2 episodes per disc at below regular MSRP, and this isn't like 4Kids taking a children's show and cleaning it up to match the same demographic. This is blatant censorship that the existing fanbase was never made aware of until the day of release. This is the sort of shit we had to put up with nearly a decade ago, and the domestic industry SHOULD have long grown out of it. We don't need to put up with one company doing things ass-backwards anymore.

darkhunter wrote:
It's setting a bad example for everyone else.


Protesting an unacceptable release by encouraging people to hit DC where they'll feel it most (their pockets) doesn't seem like a "bad" example necessarily. This isn't 1998, this shouldn't be happening, and we shouldn't have to put up with it.


That doesnt' change the fact that you're asking for fanscan because you feel displease with a product.

That's the same reason why many people are downloading scan and abusing it. They use some lame excuse like "it's going to take forever or DH to release Berserk". Or you can think of it like someone asking for Gantz's fansub because they feel ADV did a horrible job at releasing it. You can't justified yourself by doing wrong to person because you felt they did something bad to you.

Asking for fanscan on the forum will encourage other people to ask for other different fanscan for different series, that's why it's setting a bad example on this forum. There are other ways to show your displeasement with the product.

Boycotting, yes I encourage everyone to boycotte TenTen, but DC own the license to it, and you should respect it or else just buy the japanese tanks and get translation. Oh Great would rather have you buy the edited version than to illegaly download his shit. I don't condone ripping someone off just because you felt ripped off. That's also abusing fansc
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Captain Crotchspike



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 1:40 am Reply with quote
kusanagi-sama wrote:
Because of this, they still have that mindset that even if it is a manga, it should only be marketed to kids, like the mindset that animation is for kids.

While they're the only ones I know of to still carry the Comics Code stamp on a few of their titles, they're not that completely stupid. While this decision doesn't reflect that, it's safe to say that plenty of the folk at DC (if not all) are very well aware that comics don't sell to kids these days.
kusanagi-sama wrote:
There is a time and place for everything, and due to the type of society we live in, this is sometimes necessary.

This isn't a show being edited to air on basic cable at 7:00 PM, this is a comic book. It's not as if they have to go through the FCC and nobody even cares about the CCA anymore (hell, it's not as if they haven't ignored them in the past, even before everyone else said "Screw the CCA"). We simply shouldn't have to be dealing with this kind of crap anymore. It isn't necessary.

But anyway, Darkhunter is very right: If you're really a ultra-super hardcore fan, you'll buy the original. You can even do it through Diamond Comics now, so you can easily preorder it at your local comic book store.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 2:36 am Reply with quote
kusanagi-sama wrote:
Don't get it wrong here, I don't support them for what they are doing to Tenjho Tenge. If fact I don't believe in censorship because it is others telling us how to think and not think for ourselves (and oddly enough, I'm a fundamental independant Baptist).


As a born again Christian, I take a similar vent on that. I also see it as imposing a false sense of morality... as if covering up immorality somehow makes it go away.
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Even if I was interested in the Tenjho Tenge manga, I would never purchase it if it is as heavily edited as you guys say. I would learn how to read Japanese and purchase the original manga if I was really that fanatical over the series.

The only manga I care about being licensed and unedited is the rest of Shadow Star: Narutaru. I am doubtful that this manga series will be unedited even if some company does decide to license it, which even that is highly unlikely. I don't even know for sure if it is even legal to purchase this series while I'm living in the U.S.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 3:00 am Reply with quote
SnowfairyX wrote:
Even if I was interested in the Tenjho Tenge manga, I would never purchase it if it is as heavily edited as you guys say. I would learn how to read Japanese and purchase the original manga if I was really that fanatical over the series.

The only manga I care about being licensed and unedited is the rest of Shadow Star: Narutaru. I am doubtful that this manga series will be unedited even if some company does decide to license it, which even that is highly unlikely. I don't even know for sure if it is even legal to purchase this series while I'm living in the U.S.


Dark Horse...
manga#1337

and from a poster on AnimeOnDVD:

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Series not recommended due to art edits:

The English version of this series doesn't have page numbers or chapter numbers for whatever reason

-Volume 2, main character is redrawn with a towel over her naked body

-Volume 6, during a sex scene a character has panties drawn where there wasn't any before

A few other scenes of graphic violence and rape have been edited as well. I'm told they were edited by the manga-ka himself at the request of Dark Horse. Some of the edits look too proffessional and larger-scale to simply have been done by Dark Horse.


You can always (quite legally I may add) import the original Japanese manga instead...
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 3:44 am Reply with quote
Godaistudios wrote:
and from a poster on AnimeOnDVD:

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Series not recommended due to art edits:

The English version of this series doesn't have page numbers or chapter numbers for whatever reason

-Volume 2, main character is redrawn with a towel over her naked body

-Volume 6, during a sex scene a character has panties drawn where there wasn't any before

A few other scenes of graphic violence and rape have been edited as well. I'm told they were edited by the manga-ka himself at the request of Dark Horse. Some of the edits look too proffessional and larger-scale to simply have been done by Dark Horse.


You can always (quite legally I may add) import the original Japanese manga instead...


Thank you very much for the info! Smile I will be importing the unedited manga at a time convenient to me. I do not support this type of editing either and will only support the original version. In the time being, I will be content with the anime series of which I am in the process of collecting.
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