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EnigmaticSky



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:23 pm Reply with quote
It's a shame that there is no copy floating around that maintains the 3D. I always love these dead-but-unique technologies. Also how the hell they made something like that, especially at the time, confounds me.

Super interesting read.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:06 pm Reply with quote
Wow, this is a bit of awesome trivia. Kinda interesting to see how JVC appealed to otaku to be the early adopters even back then.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:17 pm Reply with quote
I had no idea there was more than one attempt at the laserdisc format.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:22 pm Reply with quote
I remember reading an article on forgotten OVA's of the 80's which mentioned this film. Apparently, there's a secret character in it who can only be seen if you're watching in 3D.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:04 pm Reply with quote
I had know idea about the history behind Dead Heats production. I'm a sucker for late 80's racing anime so when I found out about Dead Heat about a year ago I had to track it down. Replace the riding mechs with motorcycles it reminds me of Circuit Angel a bit.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:05 pm Reply with quote
Whoa that's trippy, to see the old VideoDisc format being brought up. I have cousins who had a video rental shop in the eighties and they rented VideoDiscs and sold the players as well. I remember how weird I thought it was where you would feed the disc to the player. "Never touch the disc" was the mantra put through to me back then.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:19 pm Reply with quote
DK1105 wrote:
I had know idea about the history behind Dead Heats production. I'm a sucker for late 80's racing anime so when I found out about Dead Heat about a year ago I had to track it down. Replace the riding mechs with motorcycles it reminds me of Circuit Angel a bit.


Thanks for reminding me of that other racing OVA I had seen recently but then completely forgot about. Yeah, not much to say about Dead Heat, seems like an OVA that was only there for the 3D spectacle, and it's hard to appreciate it with a low quality VHSrip. As for Scoopers, where in the hell are you going to find that, Justin? Got a tape laying around somewhere?

For other rare racing OVAs, there's Circuit no Ookami which looks like some kind of cliche 80s action hero movie, Kaze wo Nuke which is about motocross, and Pelican Road Club Culture and Bari Bari Densetsu about motorcycles. These things really need some subs, though a lot of raws end up on YouTube, it's amazing how much anime you can still dig up out of the 80s OVA boom. That Bari Bari one in particular looks kind of impressive. Sucks me for because I bet these are dripping with 80s cheese that I love.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:39 pm Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
For other rare racing OVAs, there's Circuit no Ookami which looks like some kind of cliche 80s action hero movie, Kaze wo Nuke which is about motocross, and Pelican Road Club Culture and Bari Bari Densetsu about motorcycles. These things really need some subs, though a lot of raws end up on YouTube, it's amazing how much anime you can still dig up out of the 80s OVA boom. That Bari Bari one in particular looks kind of impressive. Sucks me for because I bet these are dripping with 80sness.


Circuit no Ookami II's OVA isn't anything special, even with the Gainax name behind it. As for Bari Bari Densetsu, the movie edit of the 2 OVAs is fansubbed, and it's an enjoyable watch.

As for Dead Heat, I had heard about it being made in 3D but I didn't know about it being released on a Japan-only variant of CED. I may eventually get to watching this one day, if only because it's the directorial debut of Toshifumi Kawase, who I feel is a pretty underrated anime director with a good number of very enjoyable works under his belt. It would be cool to see it brought back in 3D, and I'm sure Sunrise probably has some remnant of it somewhere in their vaults. I doubt it would be worth re-releasing on 3D Blu-Ray, though, which is really the only option there is now for recreating the way it was meant to be seen.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:27 pm Reply with quote
Saw this exactly a year and one week ago from today. I remember I initially discovered it because I wanted to see if there was any racing anime with mechas instead of cars, and it did not disappoint in that regard. Though ultimately it didn't leave much of an impression on me. The robot designs were neat of course. I just think it would've worked better as a TV series. That way you could've seen the development of the character's skill and personality as he climbs up the food chain and gets better. Basically giving it the treatment of a standard sports anime, except you get a character story filled with MECHA RACES instead of boring athletics.

I also had no idea about the 3D backstory, I don't think it's mentioned anywhere in the encyclopedia
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:31 pm Reply with quote
What would make this 80s 3D different than the current of CGI that many anime today use (beyond the latter being technologically advanced)?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:08 pm Reply with quote
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VHD discs were stored in a square plastic caddy that was just under 10" wide. With both formats, you never saw or touched the disc itself: you slid the entire caddy into the player, which would grab the disc and hold onto it while you pulled out the empty caddy. As the disc spun, a diamond stylus needle then came down and read the signal, which was recorded not as grooves (uniquely, the VHD doesn't have any), but as difference in electric capacitance in the surface.

This is doing my head in. I don't understand how it works. I just assumed VHD worked the same as laserdiscs.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:32 pm Reply with quote
Greboruri wrote:
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VHD discs were stored in a square plastic caddy that was just under 10" wide. With both formats, you never saw or touched the disc itself: you slid the entire caddy into the player, which would grab the disc and hold onto it while you pulled out the empty caddy. As the disc spun, a diamond stylus needle then came down and read the signal, which was recorded not as grooves (uniquely, the VHD doesn't have any), but as difference in electric capacitance in the surface.

This is doing my head in. I don't understand how it works. I just assumed VHD worked the same as laserdiscs.


I will admit that the VHD not having grooves is pretty weird, as even the CED utilized grooves for its video & audio storage. Still, those two mediums are now solely for super-dedicated media fanatics, especially those who love the history of it all.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:28 pm Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
For other rare racing OVAs, there's Circuit no Ookami which looks like some kind of cliche 80s action hero movie, Kaze wo Nuke which is about motocross, and Pelican Road Club Culture and Bari Bari Densetsu about motorcycles. These things really need some subs, though a lot of raws end up on YouTube, it's amazing how much anime you can still dig up out of the 80s OVA boom.


Baribari Densetsu is fansubbed, I have a copy on my hard drive right now. Though I think it's technically not the OVA, but rather the movie compilation that cuts out 15 of 100 minutes, if the Encyclopedia is correct.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:45 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, I'm looking at the screencaps for that fansub, and whatever's on YouTube looks so much better for some reason.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:58 am Reply with quote
I bought a couple of old Animedia and Newtype magazines last year and I've seen both this and Circuit Angel, which was brought up a couple of posts ago, due to the ads in those :p

The idea looked really interesting but the execution was, as you say, nothing special although not terrible either. On the other hand, the version I watched had pencil sketches of quite a few different frames of animation after the credits and I found those much more interesting than the actual show Embarassed Some are quite detailed and seeing hand drawn animation step-by-step is always fascinating...

Very interesting though with the story behind it, didn't know about that although now that I've gone and found the magazine in question, I can clearly see "VIDEO DISC VHD 3-D Original Anime" written in really bold text... Surprised

As for Circuit Angel, it had both an ad and an article in this particular Animage issue. They make a little bit of a big deal about how the bike that Mariko ended up racing on was designed by some design group called "Boomerang"...hmm, and googling that now doesn't yield any particularly satisfying results. Does anyone have a clue if this was a big/popular design house at the time and if they have been involved in some other anime work?

Personally I feel that while Dead Heat had the more interesting ideas, Circuit Angel was the more memorable of the two.
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