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Blanchimont
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2026 3:34 pm |
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| Quote: | | The Chef of the Adventurers' Tavern |
Been reading the manga. Story is quite cozy, so will definitely check out the novels.
| Quote: | | The 11th Cat Is Nene! |
This had been a fun read too.
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Kicksville
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2026 3:46 pm |
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I've heard mixed things about Zeta Gundam Define, but it's good to have it available. To be honest, I kept thinking if we got any more of the series retelling manga, it's be the Imagawa/Shimamoto G Gundam.
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penguintruth
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2026 4:24 pm |
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| Kicksville wrote: | | I've heard mixed things about Zeta Gundam Define, but it's good to have it available. To be honest, I kept thinking if we got any more of the series retelling manga, it's be the Imagawa/Shimamoto G Gundam. |
Few love Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam like I do, but like you, I've heard mixed things about Define, so I'm reluctant. Maybe I'll check out the first volume.
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EmeraldSaucer
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2026 4:39 pm |
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Define is a funny pickup because some of it hinges a lot on Char's Deleted Affair, a manga they have not officially translated. They really just roll the dice when deciding what to bring over
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Lord Geo
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2026 4:42 pm |
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| Kicksville wrote: | | To be honest, I kept thinking if we got any more of the series retelling manga, it's be the Imagawa/Shimamoto G Gundam. |
Really, I would have figured we would get either the 0080 or 0083 manga retellings first, since both of those are way more popular in English than Zeta Gundam, and both are much shorter than Zeta Define, too. This really feels more like Bandai Namco & Kadokawa Shoten (the latter of which owns Yen Press) just want Zeta Define to be released in English, and if Kodansha isn't going to do it then they might as well have Yen Press do it.
As for the Ultra Class G Gundam manga, I really doubt we'll ever get it in English, as G Gundam seems to be treated as the red-headed stepchild of Gundam, especially by American companies, & that G only really tends to be given any real attention if pretty much everything else has been exhausted... despite G Gundam easily being the third biggest entry point for long-term Gundam fans, after Wing & Seed. Hell, I'm amazed that no one's done a Seed manga yet in modern times, like Gundam Seed Destiny - The Edge (which retells the story from Athrun's perspective).
Also, to be fair, the G Gundam manga retelling is 26 volumes long in total (across four parts), so it's even longer than Zeta Desire currently is.
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Deacon Blues
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2026 7:51 pm |
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| Lord Geo wrote: | | Really, I would have figured we would get either the 0080 or 0083 manga retellings first, since both of those are way more popular in English than Zeta Gundam, and both are much shorter than Zeta Define, too. |
More popular according to whom? 0080's retelling isn't even complete yet, as the mangaka is battling health issues. And it's far from a talked-about entry in Gundam manga given the horrendous MTL translation attempt. 0083's would certainly seem like a better bet, but something tells me Imanishi still isn't on good terms with Bandai anymore, so anything to do with him would likely be viewed poorly. Plus, there are more sought after entries than those two.
| Quote: | | This really feels more like Bandai Namco & Kadokawa Shoten (the latter of which owns Yen Press) just want Zeta Define to be released in English, and if Kodansha isn't going to do it then they might as well have Yen Press do it. |
Why would Kadokawa owning a stake in Yen Press have anything to do with it? Kodansha is a competitor to Kadokawa, and they released the (bizarre) Cucuruz Doan manga for whatever reason (likely a poor attempt to capitalize on Vertical's Origin release with the horrendous omnibus releases). If either were smart they would've picked up the Hathaway manga before the second film came out (but why would they ever consider licensing manga to tie in with current releases?).
Chances are they're probably throwing these oddball ones at the publishers as a litmus test to see whether or not other titles will sell. If they can show proof of popularity for these, then there might be more coming. Then again, Yen has digital options which is a plus where as Viz for Thunderbolt does not (which I would argue killed sales for that series given that it didn't even top 100K across the volumes they released as of 2024). Although that does make me wonder how that's going to play into International Versions of Gundam Ace coming this month... whether Yen will be tackling Vanadis and Zeta as they're serialized before the actual volumes drop Stateside or if we're just going to get more AI/MTL slop like the Gundam Forward and HJ Mechanics hobby mags they're shoving down the US throats.
| Quote: | | As for the Ultra Class G Gundam manga, I really doubt we'll ever get it in English, as G Gundam seems to be treated as the red-headed stepchild of Gundam, especially by American companies, & that G only really tends to be given any real attention if pretty much everything else has been exhausted... despite G Gundam easily being the third biggest entry point for long-term Gundam fans, after Wing & Seed. |
Again, according to whom? There was plenty of merchandise on the shelves when the show was on Toonami back in the day, so I'm not sure where you think it gets the bastard child treatment. Heck, the Blu-ray release had more going for it than the Gundam Wing Ultrabox did.
| Quote: | | Hell, I'm amazed that no one's done a Seed manga yet in modern times, like Gundam Seed Destiny - The Edge (which retells the story from Athrun's perspective). |
They did. Gundam SEED Re: was being serialized in Gundam Ace up until Morisawa passed away. Without her there's really no point in circling back at this point. Plus, all these remake manga are pretty pointless and are page filler for Gundam Ace. The magazine has been dying for the last 15 years or so given the subpar quality of their serials. Tomino recently called them out for catering to the 30-50 military otaku crowd in their anniversary issue this past month.
| Quote: | | Also, to be fair, the G Gundam manga retelling is 26 volumes long in total (across four parts), so it's even longer than Zeta Desire currently is. |
Zeta already has about 24 volumes worth of material (though G Gundam's volumes ARE longer than most), and it's probably going to run in the high 30s volume-wise if his current pace is any consideration.
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chrisc1978
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2026 8:30 pm |
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No new Audiobooks
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Lord Geo
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2026 9:59 pm |
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| Deacon Blues wrote: | | More popular according to whom? 0080's retelling isn't even complete yet, as the mangaka is battling health issues. And it's far from a talked-about entry in Gundam manga given the horrendous MTL translation attempt. 0083's would certainly seem like a better bet, but something tells me Imanishi still isn't on good terms with Bandai anymore, so anything to do with him would likely be viewed poorly. Plus, there are more sought after entries than those two. |
I was talking about the 0080 & 0083 anime, man, not the manga. I was saying that those two anime are more popular in English than Zeta Gundam, since they both aired on Toonami & are still fondly remembered & beloved by fans. I wasn't saying that their respective manga were more popular than Zeta Define, or getting into anything regarding any of their fan translations statues. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that 0080 & 0083 are more popular in English, even today, than Zeta Gundam is.
| Quote: | | Why would Kadokawa owning a stake in Yen Press have anything to do with it? Kodansha is a competitor to Kadokawa, and they released the (bizarre) Cucuruz Doan manga for whatever reason (likely a poor attempt to capitalize on Vertical's Origin release with the horrendous omnibus releases). If either were smart they would've picked up the Hathaway manga before the second film came out (but why would they ever consider licensing manga to tie in with current releases?). |
Kadokawa owning Yen Press means that if Kadokawa wants Yen Press to release something then Yen more or less has little to no choice. This has been seen in the past already with other publishers owned by Japan, most notably Viz with both Shueisha & Shogakukan, so it's not some impossible situation. As for why Kodansha put out the Cucuruz Doan manga, it was likely due to the movie being made & released (the very scenario you were just questioning why they don't do), as well as the simple fact that it's officially considered a spin-off of Gundam the Origin, so since Kodansha was already publishing Origin then it made sense for Kodansha USA to publish the Cucuruz Doan manga.
| Quote: | | Again, according to whom? There was plenty of merchandise on the shelves when the show was on Toonami back in the day, so I'm not sure where you think it gets the bastard child treatment. Heck, the Blu-ray release had more going for it than the Gundam Wing Ultrabox did. |
Right Stuf took its dear sweet time getting to G Gundam, despite constant questions being asked about when it'd come out pretty much once RS's Gundam deal with Sunrise was first announced in late 2014. Yes, the release that eventually came out was awesome, but the show itself clearly wasn't a priority to them (or Sunrise/Bandai Namco) to get out ASAP. Literally the only vintage Gundam TV series that came out from RS after G Gundam finally came out in late 2018 was Gundam Seed in 2020 & 2021, and that was mainly because both seasons of that were literally re-dubbed in their entireties to match the HD remastered footage. 0079, Zeta, ZZ, Victory, Wing, X, Turn-A, Build Fighters, BF Try, G-Reco, AGE, & 00 all came out before RS finally got to G Gundam, & some even got re-released (due to them getting upgraded from DVD to BD) before G came out, not to mention most of the movies & OVAs came out before it, as well. The only other Gundams that came out after G (aside from Seed) were the more recent productions, like Build Divers & the final releases RS managed to put out before their death.
And I don't know why you're trying to argue about G Gundam's popularity back in the day, when I literally said that it was behind only Wing & Seed in how big of an introduction to Gundam it was back then. However, beyond the standard model kits releases & video game inclusions, there has literally been nothing G Gundam-related released in English outside of Right Stuf's BDs. UC fans naturally get the lion's share of new stuff, while Wing fans at least got Glory of the Losers in English, & Seed fans even had a remastered re-release of a game that never even saw an English release back in the day not long ago; hell, even 00 fans got some new CG shorts a few years back in Japan.
However, G Gundam fans (who were a not-insignificant part of Gundam fandom back in the day, due to it also airing on Toonami) more or less have just the TV series itself to work with in English (aside from that new short animation made to celebrate its 30th Anniversary a couple of years ago), because we sure as hell aren't getting any of the more recent manga made in the past decade, which is pretty much the only new content for G Gundam that does exist.
| Quote: | | They did. Gundam SEED Re: was being serialized in Gundam Ace up until Morisawa passed away. Without her there's really no point in circling back at this point. Plus, all these remake manga are pretty pointless and are page filler for Gundam Ace. The magazine has been dying for the last 15 years or so given the subpar quality of their serials. Tomino recently called them out for catering to the 30-50 military otaku crowd in their anniversary issue this past month. |
Again, I was talking about official English releases, man. Stop interpreting things the way you want it to be read & actually read what I wrote. The entire post was about official English releases, not about the status of the various manga in Japan, or their respective fan translation statuses, or how Gundam Ace magazine itself is faring, or what Tomino thinks of things. I was only remaking about official English release stuff.
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Deacon Blues
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2026 12:46 pm |
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| Lord Geo wrote: | | I was talking about the 0080 & 0083 anime, man, not the manga. I was saying that those two anime are more popular in English than Zeta Gundam, since they both aired on Toonami & are still fondly remembered & beloved by fans. I wasn't saying that their respective manga were more popular than Zeta Define, or getting into anything regarding any of their fan translations statues. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that 0080 & 0083 are more popular in English, even today, than Zeta Gundam is. |
And yet again I ask, why would a 0080 "retelling" be brought over when the manga isn't even finished? Since you were talking about G Gundam being the red-headed stepchild of Gundam, I'd like to point out that is how a lot of people view 0083, so "popularity" for that is definitely debatable.
| Quote: | | Kadokawa owning Yen Press means that if Kadokawa wants Yen Press to release something then Yen more or less has little to no choice. This has been seen in the past already with other publishers owned by Japan, most notably Viz with both Shueisha & Shogakukan, so it's not some impossible situation. |
I've never seen Viz or anyone "forced" to release a title. I've seen them have to take on a supplemental title if they wanted to license one or the other, but I've never heard anyone in the industry bemoan that they got saddled with something out of nowhere.
| Quote: | | As for why Kodansha put out the Cucuruz Doan manga, it was likely due to the movie being made & released (the very scenario you were just questioning why they don't do), as well as the simple fact that it's officially considered a spin-off of Gundam the Origin, so since Kodansha was already publishing Origin then it made sense for Kodansha USA to publish the Cucuruz Doan manga. |
The Doan manga has nothing to do with the Doan film, so that makes even less sense. Plus, the film debuted three years PRIOR to the manga coming out Stateside, so that makes even less sense. I mean, if one digs down into it, it's not even really related to the Origin either and really only borrows on the asthetics of Yas.
| Quote: | | Right Stuf took its dear sweet time getting to G Gundam, despite constant questions being asked about when it'd come out pretty much once RS's Gundam deal with Sunrise was first announced in late 2014. Yes, the release that eventually came out was awesome, but the show itself clearly wasn't a priority to them (or Sunrise/Bandai Namco) to get out ASAP. |
They didn't take the "dear sweet time" getting around to it. Sure, they could've put out DVD reissues after Bandai's folding, but they literally couldn't put out the Blu-ray until a year after those in Japan came out, so that put them at late 2017/rearly 2018 at the earliest. And guess what? It came out in December 2018, so that was pretty dang fast. There is anywhere from a year to two years delay for Stateside Blu-ray availability to prevent cheaper reverse importing to Japan.
| Quote: | | Literally the only vintage Gundam TV series that came out from RS after G Gundam finally came out in late 2018 was Gundam Seed in 2020 & 2021, and that was mainly because both seasons of that were literally re-dubbed in their entireties to match the HD remastered footage. |
Yes, and it was redubbed per Sunrise given that they were "hands off" on the initial SEED release.
| Quote: | | 0079, Zeta, ZZ, Victory, Wing, X, Turn-A, Build Fighters, BF Try, G-Reco, AGE, & 00 all came out before RS finally got to G Gundam, & some even got re-released (due to them getting upgraded from DVD to BD) before G came out, not to mention most of the movies & OVAs came out before it, as well. The only other Gundams that came out after G (aside from Seed) were the more recent productions, like Build Divers & the final releases RS managed to put out before their death. |
And again, all those titles had Blu-ray availability that allowed for it before G Gundam did.
| Quote: | | And I don't know why you're trying to argue about G Gundam's popularity back in the day, when I literally said that it was behind only Wing & Seed in how big of an introduction to Gundam it was back then. |
Becuase you initially tried to paint it as this entry in the franchise that no one seemed to love when that couldn't be further from the truth.
| Quote: | | However, beyond the standard model kits releases & video game inclusions, there has literally been nothing G Gundam-related released in English outside of Right Stuf's BDs. UC fans naturally get the lion's share of new stuff, while Wing fans at least got Glory of the Losers in English, & Seed fans even had a remastered re-release of a game that never even saw an English release back in the day not long ago; hell, even 00 fans got some new CG shorts a few years back in Japan. |
There's pretty much been nothing released in English in general outside of Gunpla. Even if you go back to early 2000s with TokyoPop's horrible releases (they did release the G Gundam manga and the horribly done technical guide!) and follow that to today, there's only 3% of Gundam publications officially localized. If you go by just what is available today, there's less than 1.5% of all Gundam media officially localized overall, and that doesn't even include OOP licensed titles (which aren't going to be reprinted, according to Kodansha). If you cut out the MTL'd Gundam Forward and HJ Mechanics mooks, that number drops even further down the list. G Gundam also just had that animated fight short posted online for everyone not that long ago. And they also had that massive year long script novel by Imagawa on the JPN side, so it's not like it wasn't loved.
Vertical released GOL because it won in the fan poll and was already finished in Japan by the time licensing was announced. I honestly can't recall if the G Gundam manga was even on there, but given the limited number of manga offerings at the time of the poll, I'd be surprised if it weren't.
| Quote: | | However, G Gundam fans (who were a not-insignificant part of Gundam fandom back in the day, due to it also airing on Toonami) more or less have just the TV series itself to work with in English (aside from that new short animation made to celebrate its 30th Anniversary a couple of years ago), because we sure as hell aren't getting any of the more recent manga made in the past decade, which is pretty much the only new content for G Gundam that does exist. |
When has any Gundam fan really gotten anything officially in the past decade? It's been barely breadcrumbs, so stop trying to act like G Gundam is the redheaded stepchild yet again.
| Quote: | | Again, I was talking about official English releases, man. Stop interpreting things the way you want it to be read & actually read what I wrote. The entire post was about official English releases, not about the status of the various manga in Japan, or their respective fan translation statuses, or how Gundam Ace magazine itself is faring, or what Tomino thinks of things. I was only remaking about official English release stuff. |
Dude, don't try moving the goalposts. You don't cite something like Destiny the Edge when arguing about "official" English releases.
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