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joshuafer
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The Bleach filler is coming up, and I was wondering, as I am also with Naruto, is there much fighting ? I like action in my filler, I also read they introduce original characters in the Bleach filler. I do not really hate filler, but I have heard bad things about the Bleach and Naruto stuff, so I figured I would ask. So if anyone knows, please do tell. I was also wondering if One Piece has much filler, or does it mostly follow the manga ?
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frentymon
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I don't know much about Bleach fillers, but I know that the Naruto fillers weren't very good. Some had fighting, some didn't, some took place in Konoha, some didn't, but nevertheless they're all mostly pretty much crap. They didn't even try after a while, and came up with the most ridiculous plots ever (and while there was still fighting, sometimes it was so silly it was hard to take seriously), and the animation quality also took a dive. Basically, Naruto fillers are hardly worth your time, and I'd skip right past them as soon as I get to them (you'll know when you get to them, all of a sudden everything is silly, giddy, and senseless).
One Piece also has fillers, but unlike Naruto fillers, are actually well planned out and organized into blocks (which makes it easy to skip right past them). One Piece is about one-fourth filler, but most of them are in-between arcs and can be skipped really easily. They're largely hit-and-miss though, some of them are pretty good and you wouldn't *really* know that they are filler, while others are really ridiculous and over-the-top. When One Piece isn't in a filler block though, it follows the manga extremely faithfully. Nothing is dragged out unnecessarily and no extra scenes are added in between parts of the main storyline (Naruto episodes were already padded this way before the actual filler, "mini-filler" if you will). |
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abunai
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I was a regular reader of the Bleach manga when the filler arc came up. Initially, I disliked it, because I felt that it took away attention from the canonical manga storyline.
Recently, hovewer, I had the chance to watch most of the series again, starting at the beginning of the Soul Society arc, and passing through the filler arc back into the main storyline... and I must say, I am no longer quite so negatively inclined. The filler arc works. It has its weak spots, but overall, it works. The new characters introduced in the arc continue to be useful additions to the anime after the arc is over, and the arc also provides some additional depth to several of the main characters. I'm still no fan of filler, but I think the Bleach anime is an example of "that's as good as it gets", filler-wise. - abunai |
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abynormal
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My biggest complaint with the Bleach filler arc was how they treated Ishida. spoiler[He loses his snarky aloofness and goes all emo! I don't mind one or two episodes of it, but it lasts for most of the story arc. ]
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abunai
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Actually, I saw that as adding depth to the character. The "original Ishida" was not really all that credible -- spoiler[given that he obviously had some motivation to participate in the group, it was almost painfully obvious that he wasn't as aloof as he would like to appear. The filler arc gave the animators a chance to explore the cracks in this armour.] - abunai |
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TheTheory
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All I really have experience with is Naruto filler. I am more positively inclined towards it than most people... but I'm more interested in characters than actual plot, anyway. But the fights definitely scale back on terms of their epic nature. I don't remember details about how frequently they occurred verses the non-filler segments... but I don't remember many instances where I was left saying, "Huh, what a fantastic fight." The thing I mostly remember being irked about with the fillers was thinking that they pulled from a much more limited character palette than the series had up to that point.
So, i guess to answer your question in a less round-a-bout way: There is still fighting in Naruto fillers. It varies depending on the filler arc, and how long said arc is. |
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blind_assassin
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I think Ishida has a pretty crappy overall development. I mean, for the first 3-4 episodes he was in they made him a callous jerk that was willing to kill everyone around him for the sake of his pride as a Quincy and then all of a sudden he's the comic relief. Not to mention that despite clearly being far stronger than Ichigo, he gets surpassed in the span of a week.
That aside, the Bounto arc was decent. Pretty much the "as-good-as-it-gets" range of filler as has been previously stated. Naruto filler is bad. It's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be but unless you've been following anime for 25 years and have seen anything worth seeing up to this point and have time to kill watching pointless crap then you might as well pass it over. In fact, I've stopped watching both Bleach and Shippuuden for a while now. Not only to pass fillers but also because both are moving quite slowly (especially Shippuuden which is moving at a glacial pace). As for One Piece; you can just totally pass over the filler without any negative consequences whatsoever. For Bleach you might wonder what the heck the dolls are, but for One Piece the only mention the fillers get are at the start of the next canon episode. "Wow Luffy. That graveyard sure was cool. Hey! look over there! It's the next plot point! I really don't even remember where we were for the past 10 episodes. Let's never mention it again." And so on and so forth. |
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BrothersElric
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I only have one problem with saying that some of these filler can be skipped over without much penalty, actually. Bleach's probably could be maybe. But Naruto and One Piece, not so much. I mean yeah, sure, most of it you could definitely skip over without much penalty. But from what I could specifically remember, the first episode of the very first One Piece filler (the one in between Lougetown and the start of them heading into the grand line to be specific) explored the whole idea of the Calm Belt, which is actually pretty important to future references. And the first few arcs of the Naruto, as well as the very last episode of them, have cannon material spread out here and there amongst them.
I guess basically what you could say is that with the exception of that previously mentioned first filler arc episode of One Piece (not sure if there's any others like it though) you could probably skip all those filler without much penalty, and for Naruto, honestly, I think you'd be better off just starting up on reading the manga from about vol. 27 onward, although I wouldn't give up on the anime either. Shippuuden, while incredibly poorly paced, is at the same time not half bad at certain points. |
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blind_assassin
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One piece doesn't seem to dip into extended filler though. It's actually sort of hard to separate from canon at times because they go with maybe 3 episode spurts every once and a while. Sometimes they do single episode filler bits or even just take what would have been 1 episode of canon material and just stretch it into 3 episodes that are about half filler and half canon. It's good and bad I suppose.
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daeyeth
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Maybe there's very minor canon content spread out through the Naruto fillers but IMO, it's not enough to justify a watch.
And all anime that are longer than 26 episodes are guaranteed to have filler. |
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blind_assassin
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"yes" to the first statement and "usually" to the second. Most anime originals that extend past 26 episodes have filler (I can't think of any that don't let alone even an anime original show going past 26 episodes) but if they have a large amount of completed canon material they may not. They often diverge from canon but they don't always just flat out invent random filler. Twelve Kingdoms stuck pretty close to the source for the entire run. And now that I think about it, Death Note had very little if any filler. There were a few anime only scenes but they never had any "lets try and set up Ryuk and Rem on a date!" episodes. Naturally there'd be a few others that I'm incapable of naming. |
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sykosteve
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I dont believe Monster had any filler in it and it was what...76 or so episodes? i don't remember.
Bleach filler was good and can be skipped over but the characters stick around and there are flashbacks to the arc and mention of other characters frequently. Naruto filler i skipped over completely except for that one short filler arc which came before the epic naru/sasu fight. The one where some village had a race or whatever and sasuke couldn't defeat the bad guy and naruto did. Unfortunately the canon story line kept flashing back to scenes from this arc as motivational material for sasuke. I hate when series do that. |
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Ohoni
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Yeah, and it doesn't hurt that One Piece storylines are typically mostly self-contained, the arriave on an island, "clear" it, and then move to the next. You can cram a filler island in between with no work at all. Shows like Naruto and Bleach, on the other hand, tend to have massive arcs, many of which flow directly into each other. Bleach, for example, has really only had TWO major arcs, each taking roughly half the series, not counting the little arc from the begining until Soul Society.
You might need to watch the first and last block of the filler to get ALL the material from the manga (or just read the manga), but it usually ends up being like 5% of the material of the filler. Really, it'd be nice if someone online were to take all the filler episodes of these shows, trim out only the bits that are at all important, and then package that as a single episode, kind of like a "manga remix". I know something similiar has been done in the past with Naruto episodes, taking multi-episode battles and trimming out the flashbacks, cuts to other scenes, and inane pauses, and just showing the core "meat" of the fight scene. |
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BrothersElric
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Actually, yeah, that's what I've done with pretty much all of the filler I've seen for One Piece so far. I don't think you could say the same thing about Naruto's filler, however I would definitely highly suggest at least watching the first couple of filler arcs and then skipping ahead to the very last one. But like you say, it's much easier to read what cannon material is in it in the manga anyways. |
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9hoenix_
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id say fair filler action,ugh but i hate filler characters,especially in naruto.They look nothing like the original characters,Actually I just hate fillers to begin with.
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