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balla
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I was just wondering why people have such a dislike for this Gundam title. I personally loved it as a series on it's own away from the gundam thing. Although it's the only gundam series I have seen I would like to know why people hate it so much and which gundam series I should definitely watch.
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ParaParaJMo
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Well, most of the time, it's overrated. And in my experience, I've seen people try to judge the Gundam series when this series is the only exposure to Gundam they have. I've seen people arguing about Gundam when all they have seen is Wing and/or SEED. I don't hate it, it's just the hardcore fans who only have exposure to this series should not see this as "The Gundam of all Gundams" when of course there are other (and most defenitley better) Gundam series out there.
Other people were turned off because they though Gundams like the Wing Zero and Epyon were too bulky. And how can we not forget Relena. The most crappy Gundam character ever created. For example, I liked Z Gundam the best. It had a very great story, interesting and fleshed out characters, awesome mech designs and battles. I really like the dark atmosphere around it. I thought it was a true war drama and had realism. |
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darkhunter
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I always like Gundam Wing more than MS Gundam 79, Gundam X and GGundam. I don't know, even though people complain that there arn't much action, I like the whole politics aspect of it. Yes people have short attention span, get confuse and lose interested easiy so I think that's why they dislike gundam.
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Onmyoji
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yeah, to me the show just seemed to be over rated. And i have heard of stereotypes in anime but they have some of the weirdest types i have ever seen. There is spoiler[ a psycho guy who goes to a girls party and tells her "i'll kill you" , then one guy thinks he's the god of death, a guy with gravity defying hair whose in the circus, a english guy who hangs with a bunch of odd men in fez's, and a martial arts master who beats up helpless wolves and says " i hate fighting weak opponents, RIGHT ON!!!!"] weird.
but the show is good to watch, just gotta be open to some of the wierd things that happen. |
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RedvsBlue
 Posts: 328 Location: snooping through another FF7 walkthrough |
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Gundam Wing is overrated, but still a good edition to the Gundam franchise.
It's a decent AU and In My Opinion what Gundam Seed could have been and improved on but I dont think that happened. In anycase, No I dont hate Gundam Wing but it's not Yoshiyuki Tominio's gift to the Gundam Community by far. |
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Nagisa
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I don't hate Gundam Wing, but it gets incredibly dull very quickly. It starts off kinda interesting, but then the story gets bogged down about ten episodes in by poor pacing and bland, irrational, generally uninteresting characters.
Perhaps if it were shortened to twenty-six episodes and the characters were given a quick booster shot of personality it could really be something, but as it stands you're better off just stcking with Endless Waltz. The pacing problems are resolved and the characters are more appealing in small doses. |
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qollocust
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I've always enjoyed Wing. I really enjoy the politics aspect of it, and it will always hold a special place in my heart as one of the animes I saw when I was first getting into the fandom.
Hey I still have my Endless Waltz sparkley Wing Zero poster on my wall that I bought over 4 years ago. |
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Ohoni
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Gundam Wing is stylish and cool. This annoys the hardcore Gundam fans because the original Gundam stories were not, and now new fans show up that like Wing but do not like the clunky retro armors in early Gundams. It's the same as the "Star Trek: Whatever vs. original Star Trek" debate. Some people just can't let go of the past.
The funniest thing is the people that are up in arms about Gundam SEED, because SEED is basically a flashier, high gloss remake of 0079, and it guals the hell out of the hardliners that new fans can get basically the same story with far superior artwork, and considerable tightening and refinement. |
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Tony K.
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Well, Wing is the first Gundam show I saw. It's not the best or the worst, but I respect it for bringing me in. I equally like all of the series I've seen (the Movie Trilogy, 08th MS Team, 0083, G, Wing, Endless Waltz, and some of SEED).
I don't know, I just suppose it varies on other people's experiences and the such. 
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Nagisa
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Not all UC designs were clunky & retro. Char's Counterattack, 0080, 0083, & 08th MS, for example, feature very slick, refined designs, while Zeta features a few nifty suits itself (though some are just downright hideous...Psyco Gundam...). Besides, I'd say just about any mech in Wing that wasn't a Gundam or a Tallgeese was clunkier than the majority of 0079's suits. The Leos & Taurus are just about the ugliest mobile suits in the entire franchise. But for most fans of Gundam, the characters supercede the mecha, and UC has so many strong personalities that Wing just cannot stack up in the least in that regard.
Eh, SEED's artwork might suit it, but I wouldn't say it's "far superior." The character designs could've been better, and the animation needed some serious work in a few episodes (especially the piss-poor computer animation). As for refining the story, that's hard to say, really. SEED did do a few things right that 0079 faltered on, but then SEED also did a few things wrong that were better handled in the original. SEED's my personal favourite, but I will say that 0079, Char's Counterattack, etc. are all very solid pieces in themselves that SEED certainly didn't "considerably improve upon." |
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zaphdash
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The story: Told better in its UC form, which played out in First Gundam, Zeta, ZZ, and CCA.
The character designs: As long as they're distinct, they don't necessarily make or break a show all on their own, but I just don't go for bishounen for the most part...if this were the only problem, I could overlook it, but it's one of many things I dislike about the show. The mecha designs: These are machines of war, not sports cars. There are lots of components in these designs that just don't make sense (did the green circle on Wing's chest ever really do anything besides occasionally emit light?) except as something that looks good, and when you consider that this was a clandestine project, presumably carried out with limited resources, it simply doesn't make sense that the designs could be so flashy. It's quite possible to create a utilitarian design that still looks nice, but Wing decided everything had to be all glossy. The characters: Personality helps. Unfortunately, only Duo (who was done better as Garrod in Gundam X) and Quatre had one. The politics and character motivations: I don't have a problem with political stories, but some of the stuff that went on in Wing was absolutely mind boggling. Did anyone ever actually listen to what Zechs was saying? His arguments were absolutely nuts. A competent nine year old could have shut him down in a debate over the pros and cons of what he was trying to do with White Fang. Same to Relena, actually. Take a hint from the Soviet Union: idealistic theories don't work out in real life. I also didn't like that the mecha were basically invincible unless the story called for them not to be, and that any mecha that a Gundam pilot jumped into automatically became a god machine. Anyone remember when Heero was in that Leo, his entire group was destroyed, and shots that normally blow up a Leo (they seem to be highly explosive machines) were just knocking him back? And then Noin drops Wing's buster rifle (Wing's, not even Wing Zero's) and Heero uses it to take out, in a single shot, the entire army of mobile dolls (and these were Virgos, which had the planet defensor shields as seen on Mercurius, which were able to deflect a direct shot by Wing Zero's double buster rifle). It bordered on the ridiculous.
There were plenty of pre-Wing Gundams that were sleek and looked very nice. The only thing about Wing that annoys me is loud mouth fans who, without having seen previous Gundam shows, tout Wing as the be all, end all.
The FG/SEED relationship is more akin to translating a novel to a movie. The basic story remained (and was, in many areas, exactly the same), but a lot was lost or changed in the translation, and much of it was changed for the worst. Don't get me wrong -- I'm certainly glad SEED didn't have episodes about salt or removing time bombs off Strike's body. But the bad changes, in my opinion, outweigh the good (particularly since I can get a much tighter story with the First Gundam movie trilogy if I don't want to sit through the aforementioned episodes). I would definitely contend that SEED doesn't have "far superior" artwork, for instance. Yas' character designs in First Gundam are still fantastic. The designs are distinct, they aren't ugly, they're realistic, and with the exception of Char (who still isn't all that offensive), they're pretty lacking in the bishounen department, which is always good. Hisashi Hirai's character designs in SEED, on the other hand, are terrible. Every face is exactly the same (except that one guy who was given facial hair), and most of the hair styles aren't all that different either. Beyond that, just about everyone in that show either is a woman or looks like one. Anyone remember when the first art came out and the pictures, combined with the name Kira, had people thinking SEED might be the first Gundam series with a female lead? I still thought Athrun looked like a girl even as I was watching episode one and hearing Akira Ishida's voice coming from his mouth. There was plenty of confusion about Nicol's gender even halfway through the show's run (except among those who actually listen to the Japanese dialogue and hear him use the word "boku"). It was maximum bishounen, and it really didn't appeal to me. Also debatable whether the mecha designs are an update over FG's. There's no question, SEED's are much flashier while FG's are much more utilitarian. Question is, is that good? SEED's mecha are full of unnecessarily huge backpacks and guns; they're big and bulky for no apparent reason. FG doesn't have any of my favorite mecha designs, but I like them more than anything I saw in SEED because they aren't as ugly as SEED's "more is better" mecha. Perhaps there are some UC fans that hate Wing and SEED just because they attract new fans, but don't make stupid generalizations and asinine assumptions about who likes what and why. My reasons for disliking Wing and SEED are certainly not nearly as shallow as you seem to believe, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't presume to know why I feel the way I do. I like First Gundam more than Wing or SEED because I feel it's a BETTER SHOW, and for no other reason. Besides, what the hell is with your logic? Fans of older shows hate new shows because new fans can get the same story with better everything? What prevents the old fans from enjoying the same "improved" show? |
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TF
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i myself didn't though wing was bad but it wasn't amazingly good either.
reason: they have freaking weird ideas about how peace can be achieved. They are even so weird that i sometimes can't understand one thing of what they are trying to make explain. and for me, the series starts to get interesting when all of the gundams team up. And in my opinion, that was something they shuld have done quite a bit sooner instead of playing "cavalier seul" all the time |
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keyz13
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TF wrote
I kinda agree with TF and beside I think the mecha fight scene is ok. And I don't think the mecha design is the worst in all of Gundam series but I think It got personality, something some of the other mecha don't have (I know gonna disagree with me.......huh  ) Well that's my opinion.
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Ohoni
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The later series, yeah (I have GP-02a, GP-03, and Nu Gundam models myself) , but they were tacked on sidestories. The UC was getting kinda crowded by the time Wing came out, because they kept trying to cram stories in between other UC stories. it was deffinitely time to break away from that timelne if they wanted to produce cool looking gundams. Also, it didn't make much sense how much cooler the gundams were in 0083 and Char than they were in 0079 and Z, since 0079 was not much earlier than those two shows (in series time), and Z was well after.
Yeah, but they were just the punk grunt suits, who cares what they look like? The best "grunt" MSs, by far, were in X Gundam, those teal things with the one wing in the back. Those were sweet, but the show didn't really do all that well.
I didn't like either of those two. I liked Hiro, he was a badass.
Charizmatic leadership, historically, has often overridden common sense on the part of the masses.
From what I remember, that was also true of 0079. The gundam's armor was so tought that only weapons designed specifically to beat it would have a chance to do so. Most grunt enemies just couldn't touch it. The same was true in Wing and SEED, only gundams can hurt othr gundams.
When a superior gundam pilot shoots a Leo, he shoots it in a dangerous area, like the reactor. Boom. When Hiro is piloting a Leo, he moves in such a way as to protect the vital components, so that only a master could possibly hit them. It makes sense to me. BTW, don't discount the numerous Mobile Armors in 0079. Those were needlessly flashy and lame looking enough to compete with even G Gundam. And BTW, it's very hard to discuss good Gundam series' rationally with someone who has a Turn A as their avatar.
Unfortunately, so do most real people. Ever watched a news story about Israel vs. Pallistine? I think Wing (and other Gundams) presented a good take on how messed up war is, and how rarely it makes any sense. I don't think that many of the descisions made in the show were pointless or iridiculous, within the context of the world and characters present. |
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RedvsBlue
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I don't hate Gundam Wing but I certainly dont hail it as the greatest Gundam series ever *As I have known some to do*
The plot felt like something new at the time, and I was basically just able to sit through the show without seeing anything I majorly disliked. I also hoped Gundam Seed would have improved on what I saw in Gundam Wing but I'm not big on Seed at the moment. However Seed Destiny looks like it could be Decent. |
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