×
  • remind me tomorrow
  • remind me next week
  • never remind me
Subscribe to the ANN Newsletter • Wake up every Sunday to a curated list of ANN's most interesting posts of the week. read more

Forum - View topic
INTEREST: Tokyo Governor's Novels Inspire Dōjin Protest Event


Goto page 1, 2  Next

Note: this is the discussion thread for this article

Anime News Network Forum Index -> Site-related -> Talkback
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Banjo



Joined: 13 Dec 2010
Posts: 779
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:31 pm Reply with quote
rofl
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Olivine



Joined: 01 May 2010
Posts: 197
Location: Sol 3
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:48 pm Reply with quote
Banjo wrote:
rofl

lmao
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
minakichan





PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:49 pm Reply with quote
Awesome, can't wait for Ishihara to insist that works based on his novel be banned.

Someone should just start a protest bill to have the same criteria for regulation for non-anime as well.
Back to top
The American Average



Joined: 17 Sep 2010
Posts: 644
Location: Jehuty
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:10 pm Reply with quote
lol Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
FaytLein



Joined: 21 Jun 2008
Posts: 1260
Location: Williamsburg, VA
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:12 pm Reply with quote
And people were thinking that Japanese response to the bill would be non-existant, but with this doujin protest (aren't dojin authors exempt for the most part, since this bill forces publishers to self edit, lest they be declared as contributing to children's loose morals?)

So we have the big 10 publishers almost certainly shutting down the TIAF, the PM isn't happy about this and complaints are starting to come pouring in. Now selecting Ishihara's own work as the basis of a protest? I feel good about this now, keep it up!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail My Anime
Greed1914



Joined: 28 Oct 2007
Posts: 4426
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:37 pm Reply with quote
minakichan wrote:
Awesome, can't wait for Ishihara to insist that works based on his novel be banned.


Won't happen since politicians typically weasel their way out of situations that seem even a bit hypocritical. Usually it's something along the lines of 1) That was a long time ago and things are different now 2) What I did then was different and here is my reasoning that probably only makes sense to me 3) Everybody is taking it the wrong way, stop picking on me
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Finny-chan



Joined: 18 Dec 2008
Posts: 448
Location: West Virginia, U.S.A
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:37 pm Reply with quote
I knew this was going to happen as soon as I heard around different forums he made novels based on sex or whatever, but I didn't think it was going to be happening this soon. I can't wait to see what happens next Twisted Evil
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
chefneer
Aria Company



Joined: 27 Aug 2009
Posts: 1686
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:05 pm Reply with quote
There is definite entertainment potential here, stay tuned!

You know, he is a professional politician, so hypocrisy should be expected. He wouldn't call it that, of course.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Tomibiki



Joined: 08 Jul 2007
Posts: 834
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:06 pm Reply with quote
Hypocrisy's a wonderful thing, just gets a bad wrap. Still maintain this stuff's receiving too much attention from artists. I say, let the government try and enforce it, let the shitstorm ensue, and let everyone see how much of a bad idea this was.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
the-antihero



Joined: 17 Aug 2010
Posts: 726
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:20 pm Reply with quote
It's a little more complex than it sounds to just point out that the guy wrote a sex-themed novel decades ago when there was very little fanservice in anime and manga compared to today.

It's gonna take much much much MUCH more than that to trap him. It's like ordering a steak at one of Chef Ramsay's restaurants and complaining a week later that it was over or undercooked. You can't make a guy like him look bad when it's long overdue.

Point is, he's got a lot of facts to defend his bill and decision and himself. Not that I agree with it or anything but don't expect him to be cornered, politicians are not stupid, unless they're being used like puppets by some lobby.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
hikaru004



Joined: 15 Mar 2004
Posts: 2306
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:00 pm Reply with quote
Now that was infantile. Trying to embarass the governor for something that was critically regarded and published 55 years ago and a Time magazine interview to boot.

The protestors should have workshops on how to survive with the new law not how to embarass the governor.

Well, since that was so lame, they should perhaps have workshops on how not to embarass themselves as they protest against a bill that the majority voted for. The vote was something like 112-12 for the bill.


Last edited by hikaru004 on Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:17 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Emerje



Joined: 10 Aug 2002
Posts: 7338
Location: Maine
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:18 pm Reply with quote
FaytLein wrote:
And people were thinking that Japanese response to the bill would be non-existant, but with this doujin protest (aren't dojin authors exempt for the most part, since this bill forces publishers to self edit, lest they be declared as contributing to children's loose morals?)


The counter to that has been that it puts them at even more risk since they don't have the protection of a publisher and they can be targeted directly. These are also sold directly by the creator which makes them easy for minors to get a hold of, especially at places like Comiket where sellers are more interested in selling their creations than checking IDs. Potentially the government could go after conventions that spotlight fan creations like Comiket, Treasure Festa, and Wonderfest themselves.

Emerje
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website My Anime My Manga
CCSYueh



Joined: 03 Jul 2004
Posts: 2707
Location: San Diego, CA
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:34 pm Reply with quote
hikaru004 wrote:
Now that was infantile. Trying to embarass the governor for something that was critically regarded and published 55 years ago and a Time magazine interview to boot.

The protestors should have workshops on how to survive with the new law not how to embarass the governor.

Well, since that was so lame, they should perhaps have workshops on how not to embarass themselves as they protest against a bill that the majority voted for. The vote was something like 112-12 for the bill.


Hell, I say it's entirely fair unless he's made some statement renouncing his past work.

I would not think much of an artist not willing to go to bat for their work, but the hypocrisy of Ishihara making his living writing the same sort of stuff he now believes is destroying the youth of Japan is pretty extreme.
It's like our parents in the US who grow up watching Looney Tunes cartoons deciding they're too violent for their sweet little babies to watch.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message My Anime My Manga
Youkai Warrior



Joined: 07 Aug 2008
Posts: 505
Location: Sarayashiki
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:06 pm Reply with quote
Whoa, really? Ishihara wrote a sexual and violent novel, that made into a movie would "whiten a Hollywood producer's hair overnight"? (Did I say that right?) Anyway, here he is, he wrote a novel with violent and sexual themes, and now he is wanting to pass a bill that would prevent that stuff. Do I smell hypocrisy here?

Quote:
It's a little more complex than it sounds to just point out that the guy wrote a sex-themed novel decades ago when there was very little fanservice in anime and manga compared to today.

It's gonna take much much much MUCH more than that to trap him. It's like ordering a steak at one of Chef Ramsay's restaurants and complaining a week later that it was over or undercooked. You can't make a guy like him look bad when it's long overdue.

Point is, he's got a lot of facts to defend his bill and decision and himself. Not that I agree with it or anything but don't expect him to be cornered, politicians are not stupid, unless they're being used like puppets by some lobby.


You have a point. Even if it is hypocrisy, it did happen 55 years ago, and it's a little late, especially since, like you said, fanservice is a lot more prevalent today than it was then. For all we know, that novel could've even been in an adult section. Still though, he wrote about the same stuff that he wants to ban.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vashfanatic



Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 3489
Location: Back stateside
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:35 pm Reply with quote
Guys, you're all forgetting: this is the Youth Ordinance. The governor would probably see nothing wrong with his book being restricted to adults-only audiences.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message My Anime My Manga
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Anime News Network Forum Index -> Site-related -> Talkback All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group