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RHorsman



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:17 pm Reply with quote
Oh hey, just ordered Stray Dog of Anime. Great timing!
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ChihiroFujisaki



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:37 pm Reply with quote
I'm planning on picking up the second edition of his book really soon. It was great hearing more about the small, but interesting world of anime academia! I only own about two books that deal with critical looks on anime, but I'm always open for more.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:20 am Reply with quote
A great interview. I've put off reading Stray dog of anime for too long, the new edition sounds fantastic.

I was a little surprised at no mention of Ian Condry during the "I wish someone writing about anime would say something other than 'this is about the atom bomb'".

Condry is an anthropologist who spent part of his time working with Japanese hip-hop artists and is also a personal friend of Mamoru Hosoda (thanks to this relationship Boston-area anime fans are often treated to early peeks at Hosoda's new films).

Well, okay, his The soul of anime does have a chapter on anime in th postwar era. But he also writes about Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei

I guess, as an ethnographer/anthropologist, his focus is more on production and less on "film studies". I'd love to hear a conversation between Condry and Justin.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:26 pm Reply with quote
That has my interest now! That book seems to be mostly focused on production aspects, so I'm guessing he talks a bit about Shaft (with regards to Zetsubou Sensei)? I'd love to give it a read in any case, but anything dealing with Zetsubou Sensei has my attention!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:59 am Reply with quote
A couple thoughts on the points Zac brought up on serious academic work on anime (sorry, this is going to be long)


  1. Does academic work like Brian's even exist in Japanese? You would assume it would, of course, since they're closer to the source material. But given comments on a previous ANNCast that most Japanese magazine writing about anime is puff pieces (the Colony Drop zine had an article about this practice), is it possible that Japan doesn't even have an environment of taking anime seriously and applying rigorous criticism to it? Another point: Brian did his university work in media studies; do Japanese universities have similar programs, and are any of their graduates looking at anime?

  2. Are anime films taken more seriously than TV series? In the West, it's reasonably common to treat anime films with the same critical thoughtfulness as other films. Practically every US critic worth his or her salt reviewed The Wind Rises, and many can name at last one anime director not named Miyazaki (e.g., Entertainment Weekly's editors included the films of Satoshi Kon in an online article about readers' picks for "criminally underrated" media works). But despite the emergence of a serious and thorough critical community for television in the US, you never see an Alan Sepinwall, Tim Goodman, or Todd VanDerWerff talking about anime. I've long attributed this to the length of TV series: it's easy to work a 2-hour movie into a film critic's schedule, but much harder to squeeze in a whole TV series into the viewing-and-reviewing rotation. Or maybe nothing has been worthy of their attention? I'll tell you what: it sure would be interesting if AV Club picked up Attack on Titan for their weekly coverage when the dub airs next month; might be a nice test of the Zac Bertschy Mainstream Crossover Hypothesis.

  3. And going further afield of film, is there any serious critical analysis anywhere of formats like light novels and visual novels? There's a lot of writing about video games, some of it good, but I'm not sure there's anyone taking VNs seriously outside of the fan circles. And that's a pity, because I would really like to see, for example, someone do an overview of the works and themes of Jun Maeda, calling out the commonalities between Air, Kanon, Clannad, Little Busters!, and Angel Beats!, how for example he uses elements like maintenance of identity across Buddhist-style rebirths (most obviously in Air and Angel Beats!, but also in the alternate realities of Clannad), looking at the problematic issues (female agency is a big one: why does the universe provide a reset-button to save Tomoya's family but not Kotomi's?), etc. Key/VA themselves put out a [url=http://www.amazon.co.jp/オールアバウト-ビジュアルアーツ%7EVA20年のキセキ%7E/dp/4798605557/ref=sr_1_1]20th anniversary book[/url] packed with data and interviews with Maeda, so that'd be a nice primary source, but the damn thing's in Japanese so I can't read it. Anyone with translation skills feel like forging a new path in media criticism here? Anyone?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:41 pm Reply with quote
^ Does Japan even have enough of a professional critiquing institution? Japanese society has always been about keeping the wa/harmony, but a good way to rock the boat would be to bluntly analyze other people/works.
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ChihiroFujisaki



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:57 pm Reply with quote
It certainly does, though I don't know to what extent. For example, soon after Madoka aired, an academic book about the series was published called A Cage Named Maturity. See here for more information: http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Cage_Named_Maturity

It would be great if we could get some work like this translated over here, since I'm very interested in reading it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:00 pm Reply with quote
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is it possible that Japan doesn't even have an environment of taking anime seriously and applying rigorous criticism to it?


Not a lot of this kind of writing gets translated into English, but we are seeing more and more. Each year's volume of the journal Mechademia usually has at least a couple of articles translated from the Japanese, though sometimes, they are just excerpts of longer papers.

And just last year, the University of Mississippi Press published "Japanese Animation: East Asian Pespectives" - specifically a collection of essays on anime by Japanese (and Chinese and Korean) authors.
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Guile



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:10 pm Reply with quote
invalidname wrote:
is it possible that Japan doesn't even have an environment of taking anime seriously and applying rigorous criticism to it?


It depends what you are referring to when you say criticism. If you mean, for example, stressing the merit/importance, or breaking down the thematic of work such as Barefoot Gen or Grave of the Fireflies, then yes as I have seen pieces on them discussing their importance as well as other anime such as the aforementioned Madoka book.

If by criticism you mean the blogger/editorial style of reviewing and critiquing, such as that of video game review sites, Gawker sites such as Kotaku, or anything on video sharing sites such as YouTube or That Guy With the Glasses, or even the preview/review guide here on ANN, then not too terribly much.

The most likely reason for the latter is a mix of how the market is and culture. Late night anime which rely on niche sales, are essentially the way to critique them. If an anime sells well, it must have been heavily liked. If it's sales are insufficient, then it was likely mostly disliked. Writing reviews or critiquing them seems almost pointless for a niche product. Those who enjoy it will buy it and know they like it, those who are uninterested will not. Reviews, at least in theory, are to tell someone if they should invest their money and time in a product. For anime, the only people who buy anime and their merchandise are the established fans. Only a fan will buy the Madoka figurines and blu-rays, so writing up a review for it is entirely pointless if you think about it. They already know if they like it or not.

Culture-wise, it just goes against the average mentality in Japan. Reviewers by default assume people will cares about their opinion. To be blunt, reviewing is a very self-serving practice and hinges on the presumption your opinions are more important than the next persons. That kind of mentality is rare in Japan in general which pushes for a more homogeneous environment. That mentality is what gave rise to anonymous message boards such as 2ch and Futaba Channel. Everyone is an equal there.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:01 am Reply with quote
^ They don't do much of it with Hollywood movies neither, and that's pretty mainstream. Yet we use movie reviews all the time when we decide whether to go to the movies. How else the Japanese gonna know?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:45 pm Reply with quote
enurtsol wrote:
Yet we use movie reviews all the time when we decide whether to go to the movies. How else the Japanese gonna know?


I think most people are aware enough to tell if they'll be interested in a movie just from the synopsis or preview. Never really bothered with reviews myself since it's not like someone else will know if I like something or not. Seems kinda like people who do just want to be told what to like and not think for themselves. Reminds me of MGS2 Laughing

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Rose: Jack, how far do you think the Patriots' digital control extends?

Raiden: I don't really know, but it probably influences a lot of what goes on in our everyday lives.

Rose: Even mundane things, like -- which movies and songs become a hit, and what kind of clothes we wear?

Raiden: I think taste would be the easiest thing to manipulate. I mean, think about the kinds of film and bands everyone wants to go to see -- it's whatever's at the top of the charts.

Rose: And if the charts are made up...

Raiden: Exactly.

Rose: But you can't really control individual taste. It's too closely tied to personality.

Raiden: I don't know about that. Trends have always been about following the leader...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:18 pm Reply with quote
Jave wrote:
enurtsol wrote:

Yet we use movie reviews all the time when we decide whether to go to the movies. How else the Japanese gonna know?

I think most people are aware enough to tell if they'll be interested in a movie just from the synopsis or preview.


But as they say, "there's only 7 basic stories in the world." Many films share the same basic plots; some are even outright re-treads or remakes. It's mostly about execution now.

(And I'm not even gonna touch about previews - that's a whole another can of worms.)
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