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opaquescum
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I came across this article on a gameing forum, and first let me say this the site does say its second hand. Which means it can be rumor, or something else to that effect. For those not interested in following the link. The article is discussing that Sony may be changeing its view on how it markets the games for its upcomeing PS3.
The gist of all of this is this. That gamers will go buy the games at the store, and instead of actually buying the games. The situation will be more like the customer purchaseing licenseing rights. That in effect the person who goes out, and buys a game will not actually own the game. They have merely payed for the right to play it. That means they cannot resell it since it will still be the property of Sony. Now this brought some interesting thoughts to my mind when it came to anime. Afterall many of us anime fans out there actually buy used anime. Many of us actually sell, or even trade our anime. So just takeing the what if road. Lets say that something like this happens with a next gen gameing console. Then its appropriated for DVDs. I know it sounds insane, but both games, and DVDs are software. So if it is technically possible for one it should be for the other. Now here is the question how would such a developement affect the anime watching community as a whole? Simple enough question, but I am curious as to how others would feal if the whole ownership dynamic of DVDs were suddenly changed like this. I leave it up to the posters to frame the debate, and leave my own oppinions on it for a later post in the thread. Seeing as I do not want to prematurely limit the scope. Here is the link http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=20060524153157765035§ionId=1006 Here is an additional link for more indepth consideration. http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2512 Last edited by opaquescum on Tue May 30, 2006 1:41 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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LydiaDianne
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I don't think that they can actually do that. I'm not sure, but it just seems stupid and wrong. Not to mention the fact that the selling and trading of games, anime, etc. will just go "underground" and I think that the various media companies have enough of a problem with piracy without adding to the problem themselves. And if someone told me that I was not the "owner" but purchasing the right to play/watch. I would no longer buy products from that company. Money talks! And if our wallets start to walk...? |
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fighterholic
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That is just wrong. That would upset a lot of people, and it takes away an oppurtunity if the gamer traded in the games to rty to get another game, they lose money on that. I guess I shouldn't get that PS3 after all if they decide they're going to do that.
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Zalis116
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I happened to read an article on pcworld.com about DivX Video Discs as part of their "Worst 25 Tech products ever, and this idea seems quite similar...really, it's an attempt by companies to bring capitalism to perfection to eliminate the consumers' abilities to trade among themselves, thereby solving the "legal bootleg" problem of used games. I hope that the same thing doesn't happen to anime, but I'll take heart in the fact that whatever licensing and copy protection tools are developed, appropriate tools will be created to defeat them.
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hagakure|returns
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1Up News (EGM)
False speculation. Don't believe everything you hear.
You seem hellbent on trying to bootleg product from "evil corporation" as some kind of retribution (defeating) when most business are just trying to protect their product from thieves. |
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shinco
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Something interesting for me, I like watch anime, but if that story is very good for me.
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opaquescum
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I think you need to take a moment, and read the original post once more. This thread is not about the technical capabilities of the PS3 to do anything. This was about a rumored change in ownershp of legal products. In this case Sony remaining the true owner of a product while anyone who buys a copy of it would merely be paying a licenseing fee. This would mean if you bought say GTA 5 for the PS3. That you could not legally sell or trade said game to someone else. Doing so would be a criminal act. The question was if this sort of thing were to happen to DVDs how do you think it would affect the anime watching community. Seeing as you could no longer legally trade, or buy used copies of a anime. |
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LydiaDianne
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I don't think that Zalis116 or any of the rest of us are "hellbent" on bootlegging products. We just don't want to be told that when we are through with/tired of something, we can't sell or trade it. Eventually, how far would that line of thinking go? To the point where we can't sell old clothes and furniture in a yard sale? Perhaps that may be a bit of an extreme example, but sometimes things are carried to the extreme. Ah! I see that opaquescum beat me to it a bit and with a bit of a different take as well, which I also agree with. |
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hagakure|returns
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And the "1 time license" rumor by Game Radar you're refering to as the basis for your entire rant was prove to be false by the link I provided (which also refer to the Game Radar rumor). Sony isn't going to stop you from buying pre-own game or make you pay for a license-fee only game. It's not going to happen. If you're using the rumor as a basis for your rant and the rumor prove to be false, what does that say about your rant? Now if your rant wasn't based on the false "preown game rumor" and just a discussion on what would happen if Corporation would stop you from buying pre-own anime, than that's different story. I will discuss it in the next post. But I will still point out that the rumor is indeed false for now. Did you even bother to take a moment and read the article that I linked? Both article are refering to the same thing.
And again, the rumor were false. Sony isn't going to make it a crime for you to sell or trade your games. So don't get caught up in all the hype and over react-- thinking that it will suddenly be a crime to have a yard sell. I can't imagine how many people still get upset on the "Bush is gong to ban anime" rumor. Last edited by hagakure|returns on Tue May 30, 2006 12:43 pm; edited 5 times in total |
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Dargonxtc
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IF this is true, which I highly doubt. It is probably only something they are trying to pull in Japan. Something like this would never fly in the states. Our whole society is based on ownership and private property. You tell me that I buy something, but if I sell it I would be breaking the law, give me a break. Plus as others have said it would only increase the black markets appeal.
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hagakure|returns
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I could see the one-time licensing fee in the future of anime digital distribution to prevent the piracy on the net (There is some similar set up with MP3).
However, with the current DVD market + Ebay phenominon, it would be really bad PR to use such tactic. |
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LydiaDianne
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Yes, I read the article. What opaquescum was saying, (I think; I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong) and I agree, that in the long run if a company tried to do something like prevent people from selling/trade products, it, in the long run, would damage the company and the industry as a whole. And did you read what I wrote?
I'm not trying to flame you. We know that it is a false rumor. What I'm trying to say is that any company that tried to do that would NO LONGER GET MY BUSINESS. It is none of their business what I do with my purchase after I gave them my money. When I do sell my Anime DVDs I sure as hell don't get $19.99 or $29.99 for them. I consider myself lucky if I'm able to get $4 for them. Selling and reselling of goods have gone on for 1000s of years in this world and I don't foresee it ending any time soon. |
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hagakure|returns
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You can't be serious right? Your example is extreme and far from logical. That's why I ignore it.
Call it "common sense". Who wouldn't be mad--you're saying what's on everybody's mind. Like you said, reselling of good has gone on for 1000 of years. And actually the OP thought the rumor could be true, thus he worry about the future of Anime DVD. Last edited by hagakure|returns on Tue May 30, 2006 12:53 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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LydiaDianne
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My example of what? The yard sale theory? I already said that it was an extreme example. I was just trying to make a point on how far things can go sometimes. The example that Zalis116 brought up with the Circuit City thing was an example of how people, when presented with such an idea are going to react...negatively. It looks like Circuit City lost a boat load of money on that idea and so would any other company that tried something similar. We, the consumers, won't stand for it. We don't want to be told what we can or cannot do with something that we paid for. Like I have said before, we realize that it is a RUMOR!!! I'm just saying that any company that will try something like that is going to lose it's proverbial shirt. HEY, YOU EDITED YOUR POST BEFORE I COULD REPLY!  LET'S CALL IT A TRUCE AND AGREE TO DISAGREE OR WHAT EVER IT IS WE'RE DOING. OKAY?
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opaquescum
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Hagakure I did take the time, and read the article. I even posted it to another gameing forum we were discussing this on. What you need to do is read the article again yourself.
Copy protected to one machine would be a technical feature. That would mean if I installed a disc onto my machine the machine would then burn a marker into the disc makeing it unplayable on any other machine. Now up until recently this was a big rumor in reguards to the PS3. This article is about ownership, and the two are fundamentally different. One is a legal deterrent. The other would be a technical deterent. The technical deterrent would physically stop you from playing a disc on someone elses machine. While the legal deterrent would simply make it illegal for you to resale said disc. In other words the PR from Sony either was confused by the question. Thinking it was in reference to a technical feature of the system the ability to copy protect software to a specific machine, or they simply chose to skirt the issue by changeing the subject. In either case the question really was not answered. Which is will PS3 games be following a license model in which case if you buy a disc it will be illegal for you to resell it. Your article also came with some commentary as to the effect of takeing away some peoples fears. I feal the fears that they are referring to is that you will not be able to play your friends games at your house, or that you will be unable to rent games for the PS3. Which ironically is merely a assumption on the second part. After all it is up to Sony as to whether rental outlets will be allowed to rent out PS3 titles. To make it plain the article you posted has done absolutely nothing to alleviate the question. Will PS3 games be a license system. Which they have not said one way or the other. Personally I would like to see the entire quote from the Sony PR, and more importantly a real discussion with them on the matter. The quote was displayed in a very misleading way. I would like to clarify that this is false speculation and that PlayStation 3 software will not be copy protected to a single machine but will be playable on any PlayStation 3 console." What exactly is the false speculation. At first glance one may say well its the licenseing, but he goes on to talk about a technical feature. Why is he talking about a technical feature when the question is about a legal definition. Once again either he is confused, or is trying to skirt the real question. I can see how you took this to be some denial by Sony. I really wish that there was something there, but there is not. All we know now is that your discs will not be bonded to your PS3. Which I do not think anyone really beleived would happen. Sadly this is going off on a tangent, and the point of this thread is actually the model of licenseing a product rather then selling it. How would such a model if applied to anime DVDs affect the anime watching community. The concept is real reguardless of whether Sony decides to implement it with their next gen console. The only reason Sony is even in this thread is for merit of example, and a source for concept. A example would be that say someone said that McDonalds was going to start packageing anime DVDs with their happy meals. Even if in the end it turned out to be just out right false. You still have the concept which may be worth exploreing. This thread was never supposed to be about Sony. What it is about a possible merchandiseing system, and what affect said system might have. I would rather we not get fixated on what Sony says, or in the end does. That is a discussion for a gameing forum not a anime forum. |
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