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MrTerrorist



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:25 am Reply with quote
Well this well in character of Harlock.
He once robbed a ship and threw the valuables into space. He has claimed that pirates who steal are dishonoring the name of pirates.
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yamiangie



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:09 am Reply with quote
I read this and thought that Harlock would be more likely to be tossing expensive DVDs and blurays into space. Well he might spare the one piece DVDs.
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MetalUpa1014



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:36 am Reply with quote
I don't buy pirated goods. I torrent.
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Spotlesseden



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:06 am Reply with quote
MetalUpa1014 wrote:
I don't buy pirated goods. I torrent.


no different for the creators


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Hawkwing



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:07 am Reply with quote
I doubt anyone outside Japan would've heard about this movie if piracy didn't exist. Rolling Eyes
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yuetheguardian



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:22 am Reply with quote
Yes Captain! i would love to sir, but until some one brings it here to the masses for me to purchase and support this fantasic endeaver i will have to download it because getting a flight to hawaii to go see a movie is absolutly ludacris............... i really want to support this fantasticmovie. I REALLY do but someone (besides aniplex...........) needs to liscence this movie, heck i would love to see it in 3d in theatres...................
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mangamuscle



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:20 am Reply with quote
Spotlesseden wrote:
MetalUpa1014 wrote:
I don't buy pirated goods. I torrent.


no different for the creators


It is quite different, if you pay even one penny for a pirated good you are creating an alternate market that might achieve revenues similar to the ones the legitimate owners have. When you torrent is no different from reading a book at a bookstore or borrowing a copy from a friend.

If the original creators are so myopic as to not being able to discern the difference then that is their problem.
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YamadaKun



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:23 am Reply with quote
I admit I don't watch fansubs/fandubs, but official subbed/dubbed online, but piracy is not bad. It introduces people to new things and a lot of people buy what they like on BD and DVD. Piracy isn't as bad as what people say it is. TBF, certain otaku fans who like shows like Gundam SEED, 00, Code Geass, K-On, AOT, Lucky Star buy these shows for $50-$80 and these shows sell 10,000-60,000 per volume. Most Japanese don't commit piracy, because it's easier to punish over there. Also, hardly anyone uploads anime online. It's watched on TV or DVD/BD. These seems to be more something to aim at the international audiences, who do commit piracy, since Japanese don't generally commit piracy, but even so piracy doesn't really hurt the industry. Especially not when I only watch certain types of shows from certain time periods and have been out for 5-20 years.
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Jave



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:12 pm Reply with quote
Hawkwing wrote:
I doubt anyone outside Japan would've heard about this movie if piracy didn't exist. Rolling Eyes


I doubt they're targetting anyone outside of Japan to begin with Laughing They care about people uploading to Share not us gaijin who DL from torrent sites. We don't mean anything to them.
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SpacemanHardy



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:31 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:
It is quite different, if you pay even one penny for a pirated good you are creating an alternate market that might achieve revenues similar to the ones the legitimate owners have. When you torrent is no different from reading a book at a bookstore or borrowing a copy from a friend.

If the original creators are so myopic as to not being able to discern the difference then that is their problem.



Um... No. No, it's not like that at all.

When you read a book at a bookstore, you eventually have to put it back on the shelf when you're done with it. You don't get to keep it as long as you want unless you buy it and take it home.

If you borrow it from a friend, you can keep it as long as THEY want you to have it. How long that is all depends on how good your friendship is, but eventually, they're gonna want it back. Also, you have to ask their permission first before borrowing it.

Torrenting is taking something that's not yours without permission and without paying for it and keeping it for as long as you like with no intention of ever returning it. Which is pretty much a textbook definition of stealing.

Now, before anyone brings up the "How can I steal something if it doesn't actually exist?" argument, while you may not be physically taking an item, you are still taking away from the artists, animators, actors, staff, directors, etc. who worked on the project. Now tell me, does their hard work, effort, and time "not actually exist"?
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Kebble



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:02 pm Reply with quote
As long as there's demand for something and little-to-no legitimate supply, you're going to have pirating. The problem outside of Japan is clearly an issue of availability, while inside Japan it's a matter of price. If you can make and sell a cheaper product, even if it's illegal, you're going to take a portion of that product's market away from the company that owns it. I don't buy pirated items nor do I download torrents. When there's a series I want and I can't get a physical copy (either from importing inflation or import laws) or digital copy (either from lack of legitimate quality or language barriers) then I can understand the demand for pirated items being distributed online and by hand.

This entire campaign is a waste of money. They're appealing to criminals (who're essentially businessmen) to stop making money. That doesn't work, and it doesn't make sense. We've had laws in countries from Japan to Canada to combat piracy, and many bigger industries than Anime (etc) have tried to tackle this problem. At the end of the day, all you can do is throw a few small fish in jail and collect a few fines. Unless you address the demand (for both availability and a competitor with a cheaper price), you can't discourage pirating anymore than you can the legal alternative of re-selling.
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dan9999



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:08 pm Reply with quote
Laughable. If you want people to not pirate/share you need to do away with obsolete practices, give costumers all around the world without any kind of differences and discrimination what they really want and bring prices down significantly among a universe of other things.

Otherwise: DREAM ON!
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Joe anime



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:20 pm Reply with quote
YamadaKun wrote:
I admit I don't watch fansubs/fandubs, but official subbed/dubbed online, but piracy is not bad. It introduces people to new things and a lot of people buy what they like on BD and DVD. Piracy isn't as bad as what people say it is. TBF, certain otaku fans who like shows like Gundam SEED, 00, Code Geass, K-On, AOT, Lucky Star buy these shows for $50-$80 and these shows sell 10,000-60,000 per volume. Most Japanese don't commit piracy, because it's easier to punish over there. Also, hardly anyone uploads anime online. It's watched on TV or DVD/BD. These seems to be more something to aim at the international audiences, who do commit piracy, since Japanese don't generally commit piracy, but even so piracy doesn't really hurt the industry. Especially not when I only watch certain types of shows from certain time periods and have been out for 5-20 years.



It does hurt the industry.when someone torrents or downloads an anime,it hurts the company that not only made it,but also the publisher that distributes it.Case Closed is the perfect example of what happens to an anime that has a fanbase that chooses not to support the publisher and see it on illegal sites.
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Juno016



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:22 pm Reply with quote
YamadaKun wrote:
I admit I don't watch fansubs/fandubs, but official subbed/dubbed online, but piracy is not bad. It introduces people to new things and a lot of people buy what they like on BD and DVD. Piracy isn't as bad as what people say it is. TBF, certain otaku fans who like shows like Gundam SEED, 00, Code Geass, K-On, AOT, Lucky Star buy these shows for $50-$80 and these shows sell 10,000-60,000 per volume. Most Japanese don't commit piracy, because it's easier to punish over there. Also, hardly anyone uploads anime online. It's watched on TV or DVD/BD. These seems to be more something to aim at the international audiences, who do commit piracy, since Japanese don't generally commit piracy, but even so piracy doesn't really hurt the industry. Especially not when I only watch certain types of shows from certain time periods and have been out for 5-20 years.


On the contrary, these posters are being distributed to Japanese schools and won't be seeing non-Japanese shores anytime soon, to our knowledge. Piracy isn't a HUGE problem in Japan, but it's enough of a problem (if not mostly paranoia) for live-action movies that Japan has one of the world's strictest anti-piracy laws and campaigns in its theaters (not to mention, the world's most hilarious anti-piracy commercials played before every movie). Considering this is a live-action movie, I'm going to guess that's where this poster is coming from in the first place.
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Joe anime



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:25 pm Reply with quote
dan9999 wrote:
Laughable. If you want people to not pirate/share you need to do away with obsolete practices, give costumers all around the world without any kind of differences and discrimination what they really want and bring prices down significantly among a universe of other things.

Otherwise: DREAM ON!



Japan has done everything within their power to bring anime to every part of the world,what your're asking for,they've done.
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