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malvarez1
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And some fans think it’s a bad thing that anime has become more mainstream.
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Kougeru
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Making money itself isn't a bad thing. The REASONS and motivations are a bad thing. Quality of anime is decreasing at an increasing pace despite the money being made. Creators are not being paid more. The money is just going straight to the top. So no, it's not a good thing. Anime becoming "mainstream"... everything becoming more mainstream is objectively bad. Your account age implies you're old enough that you should've noticed this by now. Games, anime, and the internet as a whole are worse than ever because of corporate control. When they were niche things, there was more creativity, freedom, and ironically higher quality. Anime industry could still fix this by focusing more on paying the creators, making LESS anime at a slower pace, and stop catering to the algo and take more risks like they used to. But they won't because corpo makes all the decisions. Anime is now made specifically to cater to algo and that's why we have very few truly good anime anymore. Pre-2020 I would've argued that 30-40% of anime were "good". Now it's under 10% that I'd say are worth anyone's time. TLDR: It's good that the industry is making more money. It's bad who is getting most of that money and what it's being used for |
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xevius
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I never really watched anime until COVID hit. During the initial phase of the pandemic I watched the Inuyasha series and got hooked. I now watch at least 10 new anime shows per quarter... sometimes double that. The world is garbage and becoming worse by the day. It helps me escape. I'm not surprised the genre is growing double digits.
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mdo7
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Yeah, to be honest, I never understood this line of reasoning. Well, I wondered now how do these same fan that said this now react to what they said back then and what they see now. |
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Glordit
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It's mostly got to do with how some people associate certain sub-genres of anime and production issues with "Anime going mainstream" because they think it's catering to a broader audience (Normies) as well as being a dumb way of gatekeeping so that they don't make things worse; more Isekai, Battle Shonen, Teen Romance, rushing production to get shows out etc. |
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mdo7
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Did these same people/complainers made a big deal out of mecha anime back then? Oh, what about ecchi, and harem anime? Did they complain about that back then or were they selective on which genre should get the complaint and which should not? This is the same thing as people complaining about Hollywood remaking foreign films, but when foreign countries like Japan, South Korea, China, or even Europe remake a well-known Hollywood film, these same people never complain about that. This is what happened when Japan remade Unforgiven, nobody complain about it at all. It's the same thing when people made a big deal out of Hollywood whitewashing Asian and people of color, but never complain about Japan's "yellow-washing" of the live-action Attack on Titan, and Fullmetal Alchemist films. |
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CreativelyFwrd
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Yes, I imagine there's a lot of overlap between the people who complain about there being too much isekai and shounen now and those who complained about fanservice and moe 10-20 years ago since they all share similar elements they dislike. People dislike anime being mainstream for a lot of reasons. Complainers are probably #1 since we saw with popular shows like Sword Art Online. Shield Hero, and My Hero Academia that people who arent into anime watch them then complain about certain elements like fanservice or other problematic things. And they feel anime as a whole should change itself to suit their tastes rather than what's popular. |
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mdo7
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Yeah, I had that almost similar thought. I still kept wondering why there were people that used to hate on OEL manga (including non-Japanese comic/graphic novels like manhwa/webtoons, and manhua. There was a time when these same graphic novels face backlash from manga fan back in 2000's and early 2010's) and then they just suddenly stopped hating on OEL manga in 2014/2015. As of that post, I still have no definitive answer why the haters just stopped hating on OEL manga. Just like I'll never understand why there are anime fans that don't want anime mainstream at the cost of disrupting other anime fans viewing pleasure. |
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Glordit
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There's also the opposite side of that with some die hard fans thinking that people who casually watch anime, they refer to them as tourists, are part of the reason why popular genre's get more attention, or why the recent films-as-a-sequel trend has been happening. |
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Zased
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See: people livid over Solo Leveling sweeping the Crunchyroll awards. For the longest time there was a group of people who believed anime "catering to the west" would mean more artsy, progressive works because those are the series they liked. Turns out it just meant more isekai, light novels adaptions, and shounen because that's what the majority of westerners viewers actually watch and like. |
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kgw
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I disagree with the last part. Most of the manga, isekai and novels which are turned into anime are unknown in "the West". If they become anime is due to Japanese views and sales. It's just because they become anime that some of them are licensed "in the West". And then we could debate on what's exactly "the West". |
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mdo7
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Whatever the reason, some anime fans are selfish and can't think outside of the box or like to antagonize other anime fans when a genre they don't like make them mad or angry. This really has to stop in the anime/manga fandom. I mean not every anime works for everyone, there are mainstream anime (outside Dragonball) I don't like because it doesn't appeal to me, but you don't see me hating on it and accusing that anime title of pandering or destroying anime creativities. |
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504NOSON2
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As one of those fans, I can say that the issue has become even worse, as evidenced by the explosion of Isekai slop and anime “tourists” that dominate social media. It’s similar to the 2000s moe trend, but that was fueled pretty much exclusively by Japanese fans because it’s what was selling. Anime, internationally at least, was also much more niche again, after the late ‘90s anime boom, well, bursted, and we were just entering Web 2.0 so social media as we currently see it was in its infancy. I could see the silver lining if the creators were being paid immensely more, and their work conditions were much better. But that isn’t happening. Last edited by 504NOSON2 on Thu Oct 30, 2025 5:19 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Sinxi and heylog
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Anime or anything becoming mainstream is not objectively bad, and then the examples you give are pretty much the "remember the good ole days" type of examples. Games have gotten objectively worse? Some AAA companies are shit, sure, but games have not gotten worse, and if you actually play games you would probably Know that. The internet, there are flaws with it sure, but objectively worse, eh. And as for anime, no. And its funny you say anime being mainstream is bad because corporations, meanwhile corporations used to rule it back then as well, especially when you bring up the production committee system alone. In this day and age because of anime going mainstream, the actual studios behind the work get into the production committee (specifically, wit, mappa, bones, tms, etc.), actual issues get addressed, more studios being open by indie or individual artist due to the money flowing in, more web gen talent, more talent, etc. Again the whole "when it was niche, there was more creativity", your taking the textbook definition of "the good ole days". Trends have always existed, even when things were niche, especially in anime. Mechs, Moe, zombie, scifi, etc, the genres I named were genres that were popular years before anime hit mainstream. The major gaping flaw in the "things were good when niche" is 2 things. One of them being you were younger and your taste wasnt defined compared to now, and the other reason being you probably dont remember the shows that came out back then, and by shows I mean the bad shows. "Anime is now made specifically to cater to algo" Just say a trend, thats the word, trend. And if you still want to keep the word algo, just know that the "algo" has been used when anime was niche. |
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scowler
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If you look at Netflix's most streamed anime, it's still the big shonen hits:
One Piece Naruto Demon Slayer etc I think longer terms fans are focusing too much on the low quality isekai, etc. and losing sight of the big picture, which is that anime $$$ is still mostly driven by big shonen properties, and this fact hasn't changed in decades. |
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