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Kaioshin_Sama
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Aside from the "trolled by Sunrise" bit (because I find the idea that a business is interested in trolling Joe Blow on some internet forum way to silly) that's pretty much the conclusion I came up with. As for spoiler[Guilford] maybe people should watch episode 18 again because spoiler[his Knightmare Frame was only vaporised up to it's legs in the last shot we see him in, making his survival possible if somewhat unnecessary] |
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ryokoalways
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spoiler[I don't understand why Guilford and Cornelia are still alive. Back by popular demand???
Other than that, parts of the episode had massive production value spikes, which was welcome. Not the whole thing looked that way though, and I am assuming that's toe save budget for the last episode, which I approve. Mech fights weren't just beam cannon fights. It had feel from season one with the choreography, so I liked them a lot. Also, Lelouch still sucks in a knightmare as ever apparently.] spoiler[The showdown between Schneizel and Lelouch was great. Much better than I expected. Their exchange was very nice also. All in all a good end to the rivalry. Decent amount of screen time for each sub character, which was possibly one of the strongest point in season 1. Why the hell did it take 24 episodes for it to come back. Damn it all. Everyone got their share of screen time, and it did not break the flow of the episode at all. Again, where the hell was this for the first 23 episodes ><] I am now extremely hyped about the last episode. I think they can salvage Season 2. They have went back to the style of season 1, and it is damn good in my opinion. As long they don't pull out anything "too" over-the-top it will be ok. I think there is plenty of time for one final fight and a satisfying closure. Make it happen. |
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nightjuan
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ryokoalways: I'm going to judge the last episode more in terms of closure than anything else, but we'll see.
That bit isn't really meant to be taken too literally, at least in my case.  Could have described it in any number of other ways, admittedly.
I should, maybe, but still...could have done without that, really. It doesn't make me pull my hair out or fall off my chair, but it does make me roll my eyes a little. I didn't actually have any big problems with the couple of other spoiler[survivors] from said event though, but this just feels particularly unnecessary and gratuitous. |
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ryokoalways
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Well, spoiler[one more "survival" and we have all the named dead characters from the first Fleia back.]
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jetz
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That would be spoiler[Asahina, right? If he survives as well, that'll make Fleia pretty useless  ]
Just watched episode 24 last night and I have to say, it's probably the episode [this season] that was the most exciting for me. The art was a lot better than it has been in the last episodes, especially the Knightmare fight scenes. I also like how once again, spoiler[Nunally's presence intensified the episode (first was when she spoke to Lelouch on the phone, then when we found out she was alive and survived Fleia, and when she opened her eyes).] Didn't think she'd be that influential this season. I wonder if she spoiler[can walk as well, or it's just her eyesight that's been restored.] |
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marie-antoinette
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I share in the confusion about spoiler[Guidford being alive. Wtf, can't this series have the guts to keep anyone dead anymore? I have decided I can excuse Nunnally, because they have been doing a decent job with her, but the more they bring characters back the more ridiculous any character deaths become, because we can't really believe them anymore.
I don't mind Cornelia, if only because I like the idea that Schneizel didn't actually kill her.] One thing I am really glad to see back is moments that just make your jaw drop. The main ones we had here were spoiler[Geassing Schneizel (though I still have to say I'm getting a bit sick of Geass used to make people completely obey you...it just is a bit too powerful and I think they should have made a rule against it, like in Aladdin where you can't wish for more wishes). Regardless, it was a really neat scene and quite unexpected, at least by me. The second moment of course was the closer. I had always expected Nunally to open her eyes, but it was still a good moment. And thank god that she didn't have a Geass too.] Finally, I have to say that I think it is really clever and neat spoiler[how Suzaku is using the "live" Geass. Especially when he took down FLEIA by making the Geass cause him to act at just the right time. It's pretty smart.] For the first time, I'm beginning to see this actually ending soon and ending decently. It could have been a stronger season, but if it ends well, I can look past some of those weaker elements (the ending is going to decide whether or not I end up buying the series, because right now I'm not sure about either season, because I can't see myself picking one up and not the other). |
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Labbes
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Even though I saw that coming, I was pretty impressed when there was total silence. It made the impact even stronger - until that BURST of music. Horrible and very unsubtle 
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nightjuan
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There are actually two, now that I think about it: spoiler[Asahina and Rohmeyer, Nunnally's aide, both of them rather minor. I won't deny that, setting aside suspension of disbelief, all this does hurt the event's overall effect.] I don't really think this means anyone else is fair game though...there's actually a decent number of people whose current status remains unchanged, spoiler[Shirley and Rolo being the most prominent ones for R2. Don't really think Diethard or V.V. will return either, and I guess both Charles and Marianne qualify as "dead" now, even if their consciousness remains in the World of C and so on. ]. |
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ryokoalways
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spoiler[The only reason this hasn't completely undone the series is because those characters were killed for no apparent reason anyways, on top of the fact that (other than Nunnally) they didn't really command much emotion from the rest of the cast. This made it "ok" to bring them back I guess. The opposite end would be something like mai-hime, which just blew the entire series into pieces (the other way to approach this is to just pretend episode 26 never happened. yeah).
The why, however, completely escapes me (although deep down I know it's by popular demand). In any case, the main problem with the series isn't there really. Execution has been bad because they made the series too unwieldy with the number of character and events they are trying to cram in, that and the fact that they had to undercut certain characters too much (mainly because all the time were dedicated towards Lelouch this season). They can still pull out a good one though. They just need one more good hour of good execution. No more surprises, just provide good confrontations and closure for the main characters, do some slideshow for the subcharacters, and don't try to do too much.] |
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Chaos42
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as most people will point out its because of the time slot change they couldn't make it a long series so a lot of what was intended to be in the series never made it.id be interested to see if they made an ova or another run at this because i realy realy like this series.
Also the last episode was great i liked it and how schneizl was out foxed by lelouch-his weasel tendencies allowed lelouch to read him like a book. spoiler[Now Lelouch must face his sister eyes open and Kallen must fight Suzaku, im hoping kallen lives through this also some how you know CC will show up. And she hopefuly will die or realize living has meaning even if its for centuries] |
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marie-antoinette
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If next week's episode is the last, it's the exact same length as the first season, which is a pretty standard length for a series (though I"m sure they could easily have done 26 without issue, since that is more common). I don't think that they really need it to be longer, they just needed to get rid of some of the less effective storylines in the middle. That said, an OVA might be a good idea...as long as this series has a definite ending to it as well. I wouldn't mind additional material, but I'd rather it be supplementary rather than having the true ending. |
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Iemander
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This second season is a damn shame in it's entirety. Where is the masterfully done slow buildup from the first season? Where are the EMOTIONS? Where are the intrigues? The clever tactics? Why has Lelouch become such a pussy?
From what I see, the first season was written and planned in advance. And this second season is nothing more than rushed fanservice. I'm really dissapointed. What cheese has this become. All chance of it being better than Death Note go down the drain with Lelouch's fluffy mikeymouse crown. |
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nightjuan
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I'd also like to see a definite ending, something that should stand on its own. Anything else can wait.
You're probably preaching to the choir here by now, but...well, agree to disagree sums up my position, once again. The first season's build-up was slower and better done overall, which worked to its benefit, but it also had certain sequences which were a little rushed and it received its fair share (and more, let us not forget) of bashing too, after certain plot twists. On the other hand, R2 suffered from a significantly rushed pacing, but that doesn't mean there was no build-up at all...in fact, re-watching some of the earlier episodes is interesting, in certain ways, though I won't go too much into that now (perhaps after the show ends, but we'll see). I don't think it's lacked emotions either, nor intrigues...though, admittedly, the results have been mixed. Yes, "clever" tactics ended up being recycled or too over the top, more often than not, but there were still a couple of nice plans. Finally, I don't think Lelouch is a "pussy" either, especially not during the last few episodes.
You'd be surprised though, to learn that the first season did go through several changes which didn't match the original plans, both before and during production, and it even had delays which led to recap episodes (8.5 + 17.5), not to mention a delayed finale. The DVD booklets talk a little bit about this, and so do a couple of the audio commentaries. Is there a rush in R2? Yes. Is there fanservice in R2? Yes. More than what was necessary? Yes. Is R1 better than R2? Yes. Is R2 absolutely worthless? Not really, at least in my opinion.
I can't do anything about that, but as for myself, I've just lowered my expectations a little. Some of that cheese was already there before, so in that sense I've never really compared this to Death Note, to be honest, which had a much darker and serious tone (well, up to a certain point)...though I do find it more entertaining, so to each his own. |
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Iemander
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Season one had some pretty dark parts, like Euphemia slaughtering everyone and Clovis getting killed. Very comparable to Death Note.
Imagining Season 2 is ever going to get on the same height as those 2 scenes is ludicrous at this moment. As Lelouch's "I lub you" bullcrap is just getting the stage NATURALLY. Lelouch might have just yelled "Father WHERE WAS YOUR LOVE!!??" in *that* climactic episode, it would've been a little more direct and a little less cheesy than what he did now. Just a tad. Now let's hope for some more kallen kisses with the Gurren version 153.1258 against Lancelot version 295.29042 robot love and we'll have our great finale. Ow? And Lelouch's drive? The one thing that made him so interesting? His sister 'dies' and after 10 minutes he goes "Rolo you were so sweet, who gives a shit about my sister when I have such a sweet ni-ni!". Okay, there goes Lelouch's entire motivation down the bottem of the ocean, but at least he has his funny smirk right. RIGHT!? rant rant rant rant |
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nightjuan
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That's hardly all there was to the first season, in any case, and what led to the massacre was also fairly cheesy in spite of its subsequent darkness. The image of Euphemia slaughtering the Japanese was as disturbing as it was ridiculous, depending on who you ask.
In terms of explicit darkness, you mean, but I suppose it was easier to get away with this back when the show was airing after midnight. Still, Shirley's death via Rolo at least deserves an honorable mention, and even the Geass Cult massacre was dark to a certain extent. In purely thematic terms though, I'd say there have been plenty of depressing moments, from Lelouch's perspective at least.
Well, it wasn't quite like that, at all, but I suppose you don't want to hear it either. 
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