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mow123
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With less than 30 hours to go, it appears that this round is going to be much closer than I expected. By my counts, L leads by one vote. This could easily go either way, and I am glad that this round ended up being as close the others.
Nightjuan appears to be the only announced undecided voter, and ccdx is also likely to vote on the last day as well. I am a bit surprised that certain people haven't voted yet; I bet this may be partly attributed because many posters do not feel that L or Lelouch are worthy enough to win this tournament. I happen to disagree, but I almost sure many people feel this way. |
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abunai
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You are correct, mow123. I don't intend to vote, and the reason is specifically that I do not consider either of the finalists to be worthy of placing at this level.
This tournament has been a wash-out, from my point of view. It's been a litany of childish fanboyism from day one. I believe we should stop having these tournaments -- they bring out the worst in people. Since it is unlikely that this viewpoint will prevail, I will at least warn everybody that, during the remainder of this tournament, and in subsequent tournaments, I will be watching for any missteps, and I will not hesitate to sanction anyone who steps out of line. Frankly, given the considerable effort Key has put into this tournament, I think some of you should be extremely ashamed of yourselves. - abunai |
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dtm42
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Not to be argumentative, but aren't you also responsible for voting not on intelligence but on the basis of which characters and shows you like or dislike? Your voting record suggests an almost pathological dislike of certain characters and shows. Now, I wholeheartedly agree that Key (and his two loyal minions, Dorcas_Aurelia and ccdx) have put a heck of a lot of time and effort into this tournament. So wouldn't it be a good way to thank them for their hard work by actually deigning to participate in the final round? |
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abunai
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*cough* Oh, sure, you are the very antithesis of argumentative.
Incorrect. My voting record reflects my honest opinion. My remarks accompanying those votes, on the other hand, reflect my disdain for certain types of fan behaviour.
You fail to understand that it is only my concern for Key that has kept me from locking this thread, on several occasions. I'll thank him by leaving the thread open, and by continuing to vote my honest opinion -- which, at this stage, is "meh". - abunai |
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Sophisticat
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Aren't you the one taking this too seriously? After all, given the nature of the contest (a vote by majority. E.g. subjective competition), the type of "fanboy" arguments you're lambasting is going to be the norm. If this were to be an open-ended discussion with the goal being the search for the one character with the highest intelligence in all of anime, I think meaningful discussion would have much more value. But such as it is, I think the tournament went just fine and pretty much as expected. Members posted their subjective opinion of a character and that reflects in the final round's candidates. If you're looking for structured discussion, I'd hardly call a contest the best way to find an objective winner. No, this contest, I believe, was created for fun, and we treated it as such. Finally, Key isn't responsible for member's behavior, nor, I don't think, was he looking for anything more than general fun out of them, so I don't see what you mean by "you should be ashamed of yourselves". If he's tired of making them, that's his choice, and I, at least, will respect that. Personally, I'm looking forward to the next contest, and if you can't handle the natural subjectivity of members, isn't that your problem? So long as things are going as intended (this includes Key's mood towards said contest), and don't devolve into a flame-fest (which they never did), I don't see anything wrong with a bit of liberal discussion. |
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An1fr3ak
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Okay, I'm definately voting for Lelouch. Not that I think he is deserving of the throne he might obtain in this 'tourney,' but that he is more deserving than L, who clearly failed in what he had set out to do. I've already stated how Lelouch is superior in his intelligence, so I will point out that every step of the way in Death Note, spoiler[L is out-smarted and out-thought ](can this be considered good english) spoiler[by Light, and not only is Light out-playing L, but the entire police force/ task squad that L had to help him.] Comparison: spoiler[L fails basically every step of the way while Lelouch seemingly succeeds every step of the way ], especially when compared to L. So no, L does not deserve to win at all.
And what is the deal with everyone jumping down Abunai's throat? I pledge my full support to him and agree with his opinion, and I think you people read too much into what others say as well, which always starts a commotion. |
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abunai
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Very kind of you to say so, but I'm a mite peckish, so they're quite welcome to jump down my throat. Pass the salt, will you? - abunai Really, I'm very hurt and my inner child is crying desperately. |
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An1fr3ak
Posts: 235 Location: Australia |
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Haha, pass the salt I shall. *Shake shake, sprinkle sprinkle* Well, now I just have to sit back and hope my vote made a difference, which it wouldn't have if I had voted in previous rounds before the semifinals and didn't make a difference when I voted for 'the count.' Oh, and another thing, I wouldn't have participated in this 'tourney' at all if it weren't requested by someone who I felt deserved my help. Abunai, you can cry on my shoulder if it helps |
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velocet
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I'm voting for L to try and win the minigame! Actually, I also think he's the better choice. The biggest argument in Lelouch's favour that has been submitted in this round is that he's more accomplished, and that he achieves his goals, but accomplishments aren't the end-all-be-all of intelligence. You could say that George W Bush accomplished a lot of his objectives during his time in office, but you probably wouldn't root for him in a 'Most Intelligent President' tournament. L has the kind of intelligence I rate highly, it seems both reasoned and reasonable - unlike Light's I AM A GENIUS OK character which came across as more convenient than convincing, L convinced me. I'm not DN fan in the least, and L was the reason I got as far with it as I did - I wanted to see how he would play things next. Though Lelouch sounds like a very worthy runner up, I give him the edge.
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Well better late then never. Between the two I'll cast my vote for L. I'll once again say that despite his intelligence I personally wonder how much of his grand scheme Lelouch could have accomplished without powers aiding him. L has no such powers at all beyond an incredible sweet tooth. If that is considered a power then I should have entered myself in as a vote. Both are intelligent enough and personally both I think won rounds when I see they shouldn't have (having spent the time to read every bloody page which took forever). But here they are. Between the two I think they're pretty much evenly matched in terms of straight up intelligence and cleverness. So I'm basing my vote again on the idea of making that intelligence and cleverness come to fruition. So to me L wins that one so he gets my vote.
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Sophisticat
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I was just voicing my dissenting opinion, not "jumping down his throat". I would have quelled any commotion my comment would have started, since that wasn't my objective.
Well, so long as you know. 
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nightjuan
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I suppose it's better to get this over with.
L As much as I might not agree with several of the arguments commonly raised against Lelouch, in addition to restating my own liking of the character...ultimately L does end up ahead in my final evaluation. Though I wouldn't say his were the most realistic nor credible displays of intelligence in this contest, by any means, L did have more opportunities to rely on his own wits against Light, who was a particularly strong intellectual opponent despite the often contrived nature of some of the situations involved. You could say this last statement also applies to Lelouch, perhaps even more so, yet he's probably more versatile, including but not limited to his use of the Geass power (quite useful although not necessarily his only advantage). While he's been able to overcome a greater variety of challenges, Lelouch does lack a strong opponent who can display consistent intelligence on a similar level to Light or L. |
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ccdx
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A final is a final I guess.
Yah that's about right. 
This is by no means a crappy final matchup. Just not what I was expecting or hoped for. I originally was going to vote for L over what I was sure was going to be Johan. That final would have been truly disappointing. But instead here we are. Even though I'm disappointed in the way it turned out, I'm not going to cop out and not vote. You can't stop voting just because you didn't win... If you have been loyally voting nearly every round, spending lots of time making passionate arguments in favor of the characters you felt honestly should move on, you should do so to the end. To not would do a great disservice to the tournament and to yourself. Why did you spend all that time voting and arguing in the first place if only to quit as soon as you didn't get your way? That being said decisions, decisions. A real tough one here. In the end I have to give it to Lelouch. L set out to capture Kira. In the end he found out who the real Kira was, sort of, and couldn't quite finish the job. Is this a serious negative against him? No, not when his advisary was Light. But still a negative. L's overall intelligence is a little quirky at times. He doesn't exactly instill great loyalty from his minions as is apparent throughout the show in their constant bickering between each other. Not very good in the leadership department (which I guess we have now defined as a major factor in ones intelligence, Aramaki). Some have cited that L was held back because of the rules of law prevented him from proving with out a shadow of a doubt that Light was infact Kira. As I've said before, if this is the most intelligent character in all of Anime tournament, which I think it is, whoever wins should be smart enough to overcome almost any obstacle. If they set out to accomplish a goal that requires some intense thinking, than they should accomplish it! We should expect as much from the smartest of them all. L did not. Would he eventually have brought Light to justice... we'll never now. He was outsmarted before he got the chance. Lelouch set out to destroy the Britannian empire to seek revenge and on a lesser level to make the world a better place for the weak and oppressed. When he saw that his plans were all going to hell, he contrived a new one and for about 20 episodes in the second season carried it out to perfection. Everyone played right into his hands, everything fell into place, and in the end the world was a much better place because of it. To say that Lelouch didn't have any worthy adversaries to face is ridiculous. To say Schneizel wasn't a genius himself is laughable, it's just that in the end Lelouch read him like a book, literally. That's probably Lelouch's greatest skill. To read people and be able to predict precisely what they are going to do. If L would have had such a talent, I think Light would have been doomed, but Light was smart enough to always be one step ahead of the no so able L by comparison. Yes Lelouch had a power that L did not, and it seems that the biggest argument against Lelouch concerning that power was that he just Geass'd all the royalty into making him the emperor. But his grand plan obviously wasn't to become the emperor. That may have been part of his original goal but after some soul searching early on in season 2 he changed his plan. spoiler[Becoming the emperor and having the world direct all their hate toward him was just part of his plan.] His geass does not define his genius, his genius is demonstrated through using his geass intelligently to accomplish his true goals. Good tournament. A little rough around the edges at times but still good enough. I look forward to the next, I hope we can find a great topic that everyone can enjoy and everyone can participate in. |
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marie-antoinette
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I completely agree. If I went with that mentality, I would have stopped following the Duos tournament after the first round when Michiru & Haruka were eliminated, which would have been a shame because I learnt a lot about the other duos in the tournament and will be checking out some new series because of it. I completely disagree that these tournaments should be stopped. I find them to be very fun and I'm sure others do too. I think trying to stay more focused would be good, but I don't think they should be stopped altogether. And I don't even think they have gotten that heated...and the most heated I saw them get was back a few rounds and abunai, I hate to say it because I do think you are an awesome moderator and stuff, but you were RIGHT in the middle of that and possibly made some of the most questionable posts, at least IMHO. Anyway, it does seem to be midnight now, so I guess that means the voting is over? Or at least Key should be around to close voting soon probably (and I definitely want to say THANK YOU KEY for running this tournament, it has been very interesting for me especially since I didn't know most of the characters, which means it was a good chance to hear about new series, just as the Duos tournament was). |
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Key
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The Most Clever/Intelligent Character Tournament is now over.
And the winner, by a mere 15-13 margin, is. . . 
Despite being buoyed by some first-time voters and actually being ahead at one point, Lelouch ultimately couldn't pull out the victory against the master detective. Thanks to everyone who participated in the tournament, and special thanks to ccdx and Dorcas_Aurelia for their support roles. Post-Mortem will follow shortly. As for future plans: I've decided that a week delay before getting to work on the next tournament won't fit into the time frame I want, so look for a new thread to be started up about that within the next day or two. |
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