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Godaistudios



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 1:03 pm Reply with quote
Ah.... it's just that you find them here as well, so I'd forgotten about that stereo type. But I know what you mean. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 7:14 am Reply with quote
Just to update this little controversy, I have just received an e-mail reply to a letter I had posted to Jennifer Darling a month ago. It was from either her friend, or Personal Assistant, saying “Jennifer was never contacted”. So that’s three of the original VA’s who dispute that statement from FUNi. “The Game’s afoot Watson!” as Holms would say. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 1:05 pm Reply with quote
You know, I'm really having a hard time understanding why this is worth complaining about. Is the problem with FUNi allegedly lying, or that the VAs aren't returning?

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 1:19 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
Just to update this little controversy, I have just received an e-mail reply to a letter I had posted to Jennifer Darling a month ago. It was from either her friend, or Personal Assistant, saying “Jennifer was never contacted”. So that’s three of the original VA’s who dispute that statement from FUNi. “The Game’s afoot Watson!” as Holms would say. Wink


The production company we contracted, Red Shift, contacted the voice actors, not FUNimation. This is news to me.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 1:25 pm Reply with quote
Emerje wrote:
You know, I'm really having a hard time understanding why this is worth complaining about. Is the problem with FUNi allegedly lying, or that the VAs aren't returning?

Emerje
The former. If those asked had said "yes it's true" for whatever reason I would have said “well fair enough!" But the more it is revealed it is a lie. the more pissed I feel at the insulting contempt of our intelligence that FUNI has shown by this increasingly lame attempt at trying to get away with it. Even if FUNI are honest with that statement, it would appear that maybe Red Shift hasn’t been exactly honest with them. But they hired Red Shift and gave them a budget to work with. If nothing else it should alert FUNi that there is a discrepancy somewhere that is putting their integrity in a bad light which should need some quick damage control and repair. But if it turns out that they actually don’t give a toss about their reputation, then it will be a lesson that we aren’t as stupid as they think we are. Especially if they do get the third Tenchi Muyo OVA. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 2:46 pm Reply with quote
Why do people care so much about this?

You're whining and tossing out conspiracy theories because a single episode of Tenchi GXP might not have brief cameo appearances by voice actors who performed in a dub that's over five years old. A dub that..

And I'm going to say this, so try not to freak out...

wasn't very good!

The original Tenchi dub kinda SUCKED, people! You're talking about the vocal stylings of KT VOGT for the love of Christ! She was terrible in that role! Her voice was incredibly nasal and she couldn't deliver a line to save her life! I should know, I used to watch nothing but dubbed Tenchi back in like 1998 when Pioneer was releasing the show on VHS!

If I had to hear Kermit Miller deliver one more "Nyyaaaahhhhh, Reeyohko!", I'd tear my hair out.

I realize there's a nostalgia factor here but demanding something that would only be considered a GIFT to hardcore old school fans (who aren't old school enough to have only watched Tenchi subtitled back in the day) who for some reason remember the totally mediocre original Tenchi dub as some shining bastion of quality is SILLY.

Get over it. This is obsessive, crazy, hypocritical fan whining at its worst.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 5:05 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
Why do people care so much about this?

You're whining and tossing out conspiracy theories because a single episode of Tenchi GXP might not have brief cameo appearances by voice actors who performed in a dub that's over five years old. A dub that..

And I'm going to say this, so try not to freak out...

wasn't very good!

I agree with you. I saw a few episodes of the OAV again on DVD at a friend's house just last night, and it seemed pretty dull to watch. Not to mention a lot of the translation was rearranged and didn't really feel like it fit.

I also noticed a lot of the voices seem kind of uninspired and unemotional. It's OK, but I don't see what all the fuss is about. I'd say it's pretty average by today's standards. Heck, maybe FUNimation can do better than what I just heard (no offence to fans of the original VAs Anime catgrin + sweatdrop.)
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 6:53 pm Reply with quote
Tony K. wrote:

I also noticed a lot of the voices seem kind of uninspired and unemotional. It's OK, but I don't see what all the fuss is about. I'd say it's pretty average by today's standards. Heck, maybe FUNimation can do better than what I just heard (no offence to fans of the original VAs Anime catgrin + sweatdrop.)


I think that the main issue is that people get used to hearing certain voices for characters. It doesn't matter whether you particularily like them, or think they are good voices. If you listen to the same voice for the same character for more than a few eps, then that voice will be the one you associate with that character. Another voice just wouldn't have the same feel anymore, that's what I think anyway.

An example would be the Eva Director's Cut. They had to change some of the VAs and it just wasn't quite the same. It's not that the new VAs did a bad job, but it just didn't have the same feel as the original VAs.

As far as Tenchi goes, it's true the dub wasn't the best ever, but it wasn't the worst either. If the 3rd OVA gets released here (which I'm sure it will), I would like to have all the same VAs just because they are the ones I associate with those characters, if it's anyone else it just wouldn't be the same.

Of course whatever happens happens, so I'm not going to get in an uproar about it or anything.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 11:52 pm Reply with quote
Kazuki-san wrote:
I think that the main issue is that people get used to hearing certain voices for characters. It doesn't matter whether you particularily like them, or think they are good voices. If you listen to the same voice for the same character for more than a few eps, then that voice will be the one you associate with that character. Another voice just wouldn't have the same feel anymore, that's what I think anyway.

How very true. I feel this exact way for DBZ in when the voices switched from Ocean to FUNimation. But in the case of DBZ, it gradually died out. However in this case, it's all for just one episode anyway, so I don't really see the point in that. But hey, if I can feel this way, others can do so also.

And as for Evangelion's dub, I didn't like it too much to begin with either, so there goes that. Razz

Thanks for pointing out that "voice association" thing though. Wink


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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:30 am Reply with quote
Tony K. wrote:

However in this case, it's all for just one episode anyway, so I don't really see the point in that.


Yes, in this case for Tenchi GXP, I don't see the point either. But if they get Tenchi OVA 3, that's when it would apply, for me at least.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:32 am Reply with quote
It's true Miller is a bit grating if you're not used to him, true that Vogt is way off base compared to Yuko Kobayashi, and honestly Jennifer Darling can't pull off the haughty laugh that Yumi Takada can.

The attachment to the Pioneer cast is mostly sentimental (although Ellen Gerstel does far far better as Mihoshi Kuramitsu compared to Rebecca Forstadt). It's not a logical request when compared to asking that any further Ah! My Goddess animated projects have Juliet Cesario as Belldandy and Scott Simpson as Keiichi when they're dubbed stateside. But I think it's still reasonable to ask.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:44 am Reply with quote
Craeyst Raygal wrote:
But I think it's still reasonable to ask.


But is it reasonable to expect? I think part of the problem here is that people are setting themselves up for the fall when they expect things without precedence. Yeah, I'd love to hear the voices return too, but I'm not going to get all worked up over it if it doesn't happen. Why would I even expect a totally different company to be able to do such a thing in the first place? I CAN see why people would be pissed about supposedly being lied to, I CAN'T see why people would expect the actors to return.

(And just so you know, I'm not directing any of this at you CR, you just had something worth quoting.)

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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:49 am Reply with quote
Emerje wrote:
but I'm not going to get all worked up over it if it doesn't happen.
Emerje


I'm with you there, I wish they could get them all back, but if they can't then they can't or don't want to, or whatever the case may be. If it doesn't happen I'll just accept it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:46 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
Why do people care so much about this?

You're whining and tossing out conspiracy theories because a single episode of Tenchi GXP might not have brief cameo appearances by voice actors who performed in a dub that's over five years old. A dub that..

And I'm going to say this, so try not to freak out...

wasn't very good!
Steady Zac. That pulsating blood vessel might burst. I don't whine. I just report the facts. As Kasuki-san said earlier. Whether one considered the dub good or bad, it was consistent for the main characters, at least for the duration of the franchise mostly, and so a precedent was set with those voices that has endured. Sure I'll admit that by today’s standard the earlier dub wasn't great, but at the time it came out it was considered one of the better one's, by most who cared about these things to say back then. Some may not care, but I for one do not like to be taken for a mug by a company who has a very low opinion of most of its customers, it would increasingly appear. You may feel, as you have stated that this is "whining". But I’d be willing to bet Zac that if you went into a restaurant that advertised a steak dinner, only to serve you a Hotdog instead, you would "whine" that they didn't give you what they said they would, and loudly too I'd wager as well. I'm only highlighting the integrity of FUNimation's statement. with hard fact. Like others, I look toward to the third OVA, and though this may irritate you, I liked the dub of the OVA's. then and now.
They said "they would try" with GXP. I didn't "expect" that to mean "try it on". It would appear that it is FUNi who are being the true hypocrites, though I don't understand where you could think I have been one here as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:25 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
Steady Zac. That pulsating blood vessel might burst. I don't whine. I just report the facts. As Kasuki-san said earlier. Whether one considered the dub good or bad, it was consistent for the main characters, at least for the duration of the franchise mostly, and so a precedent was set with those voices that has endured. Sure I'll admit that by today’s standard the earlier dub wasn't great, but at the time it came out it was considered one of the better one's, by most who cared about these things to say back then. Some may not care, but I for one do not like to be taken for a mug by a company who has a very low opinion of most of its customers, it would increasingly appear. You may feel, as you have stated that this is "whining". But I’d be willing to bet Zac that if you went into a restaurant that advertised a steak dinner, only to serve you a Hotdog instead, you would "whine" that they didn't give you what they said they would, and loudly too I'd wager as well. I'm only highlighting the integrity of FUNimation's statement. with hard fact. Like others, I look toward to the third OVA, and though this may irritate you, I liked the dub of the OVA's. then and now.
They said "they would try" with GXP. I didn't "expect" that to mean "try it on". It would appear that it is FUNi who are being the true hypocrites, though I don't understand where you could think I have been one here as well.


Tell me when FUNimation ever advertised to you that episode 17 would have the original voice actors. Tell me when and where they promised you that.
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