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BadNewsBlues
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The game would've been released on the PS4 regardless, with the amount of planning (which they're still doing) and money that Square has already spent on this this was no way they were going to "not" release this on PS4. Simply because of one unimportant detail.
Well yeah "if" the game ever comes to PC which won't be happening for years if at all.
They changed it but not because of "duh evil censorship" like most of the detractors are going on about. Especially since they've been moving away from Tifa's "gimmick" at least since Advent Children which has practically become her standard design going forward.
Except the problem is most of the people complaining about this are going on about her breasts being reduced (while still being large enough) so it is in fact reducing her to just boobs which is an obvious problem.
History that hasn't aged well. Also if people can except changes that have been made to Lara Croft's design over the years there's literally no reason people can't except this.
Sue them on the basis of what? By that logic any company putting games on the NES and SNES back in the day should've sued Nintendo for their censorship practices.....which as far as I know none of them did.
Yeah not for nothing but if you're actually making the argument that big breasted women are being shamed (which is an actual thing but isn't being done in this specific discussion) it's going to be hard to take such an opinion seriously. Which gets even worse when the people making this argument are men. Last edited by BadNewsBlues on Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:20 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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ninjamitsuki
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The boobs didn't go anywhere. She's just wearing a sports bra now.
Do you guys not have a sense of object permanence? |
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Watanabefan
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This is what happens when your entire interaction with women comes from anime and video games. Some of these comments I keep seeing on Twitter legit don't seem to understand how boobs work. |
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Mirvana
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Congrats on proving Psycho's point. If it were actually about CeNsOrsHiP, people WOULD be bringing Barrett up. The fact they're not shows it is actually about them seeing Tifa as just a pair of tits. And as stated before, the "Ethics Committee" is at best a misnomer or mistranslation. They aren't deeming her chest "unethical", but that "flopping no-bra D+ cups" (as her PS1 incarnation) would probably get them more restrictive ratings. Higher ratings in some areas can mean less sales, and less makes the money sad. And Squenix doesn't like making the money sad. Ergo she gets a tighter "hold things in place" top this time around. |
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Firefly251
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yet still has stick arms and legs....casue a person who fights with their fists wouldnt have any bulk to their limbs..... I am all for her reduced assets (i mean on her they made no sense tbh given her brawler status they'd hinder her) but making her more muscular and having stick limbs is still wrong :/ |
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Afezeria
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Scion Drake
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I mean she can just dress up as one of Jade’s older outfits in that case. It’s not like her previous designs don’t somehow exist just because 11 decided to give the character an actual clothing style/theme for once. Man this whole controversy is insane. This thread has over 60 comments. Goddamn is this a topic attracting a large reaction. Honestly all that stuff about the ethics committee, it’s just typical corporate PR talk. They always try to bring in morals to make their choices sound better but eh it’s no big deal really, it’s common practice. It’s kinda unnecessary at this point since Tifa’s design has already been modernized for years already. But hey no harm done. Last edited by Scion Drake on Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:41 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Northlander
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My first thought when I read the quote from the developers was that it might've been Shiva, the summoner who is... kind of a goddess? Although she doesn't wear as much a low-cut top as a sling bikini top of sorts, so I'm not entirely sure. As far as Tifa's redesign goes, I think it's in line with the redesign of the rest of the characters I've seen so far: a step away from the highly cartoonish look of the original FF VII -- and I mean highly cartoonish!
I don't know if you're talking about Red XIII in your above quote or not, but if you were, I think he's meant to be a cat -- his tail would suggest lion, if not for his maneless neck? Maybe a cross between that and a panther. Also, just out of curiousity, do we still need to spoilerbox the aforementioned spoiler[character death?] Is there anyone here, even among those who never played the original game, who doesn't know what happens at a certain point in the game, given that it's been one of the biggest talks on the internet since it happened? I know I'm making sure to do it too, but I imagine being surprised by this when you play the game is like being surprised when the Titanic goes down in the movie Titanic -- it's kind of a historical event that most people would know about even if they were born long after the Titanic went down. Even if we're talking about "just a videogame" in one of these examples and not a real-life tragic event. |
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Puniyo
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Thanks for proving his point, completely ignoring my comment and the girlfriend's feelings and only bringing up how the person who agreed was male. I'm sure it's all haha-joke because it's boobs, but it's still shaming women for a thing about themselves that they can't help, and it does have real-world effects. |
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enurtsol
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Lol, "bring us back our fantasy!"
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BadNewsBlues
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Except the problem is I did acknowledge your comment. You ignored the part where I specifically mentioned that your concern regarding the idea that people are shaming large breasted characters in video games is misplaced as many of the people in this thread that are pouring cold water on the people complaining about Tifa's breasts being altered are not doing it because they hate big breasted women. But doing it because some people seem to think that a character should be defined by certain assets instead of their personality, actions, & behavior. To say nothing of ignoring the fact that Tifa's breasts are not only not that big in her original official character art but her new design for the remake still has breasts that are pretty sizeable.
Because the people getting upset at big breasted characters being "shamed" in video games are almost exclusively male. Not that there aren't women upset over this but they're definitely in the minority.
Yeah I don't know any real person whose shamed a large chested character in a game because of their breasts. That's then gone on to do the same to an actual large chested woman in real-life. Large chested women are shamed over their endowments in real life but video games have little to do with that. |
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Chrno2
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As a person that was around when Tifa was the talk of the town I get it. But for some reason I never really saw her as being so overly endowed. And considering the multiple redesigns it's like you never really noticed unless you really looked. I mean I've seen Nomura's cartoony stylized designs, but I've also seen his more realistic designs. And go by what the original creator's vision. Tifa was busty but not super busty. Considering how many busty cosplayers have cosplayed as Tifa even when they don't represent Tifa's actually body type.
As far as the ethnic dept, I'm wonder how this division came about. Did the US cause it? I'm curious to know what the Japanese audience thinks about the changes provided there are going to be any changes. I feel they have more say, considering they don't abide by any Westernized rules for their audience. I'd say that Nomura, used whatever excuse to justify the changes. Such as the sports bra. It does make sense that Tifa would have a more athletic build since SHE IS a martial artist. The only small discussion that I heard was that they should've made her legs a little thicker, because it doesn't aesthetically make sense to be a kicker and your legs are skinny. But if they're reducing the top then they could be reducing her overall. The uproar about her "bust" is really a small argument. I've seen many sides of the coin. To those that think it shrunk to those that think the AC version works better. Though you can't use the outfit for a upgraded 1997 game. I mean this was a company decision, it's not that bad and it's not anything to shame fans over. You can have a civil discussion and come to a head. You don't need to give bad journos a reason shame, attack and clickbait. I see more people actually happy that this is happening and waiting for the finished product. |
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James_xeno
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lol at the idea that this had anything at all to do with age ratings.. The mere insinuation is battshit level absurd.. Seriously, what was censored from Tifa's original outfit that would have raised anything other than the whines and screeches from the usual people who didn't care about the game in the first place?!
This is about more than here new breast size. (which I actually personally like, not being a fan of huge ones.. but that's beside the point) Why was she given such a visible sports bra, or even one in the first place? She didn't need it to to stop movement or anything, as this is a game.. it's just for show. But the biggest issues are the leggings and ridiculous butt guard! Seriously what was the point of that other than to head off a REEEEEing by people who should never of mattered in the first place here?!
I keep seeing this point being made everywhere and I think it's pretty irrelevant overall. Those "modernized" (what ever the hell that means) designs were all from LATER points in time from the original game! Which this is a remake, not re-imagining, of. So the argument is really pretty nonsensical and misses the point. I also see people bringing up Barret as "proof" of something.. That really takes a pretty selective viewing of this. Totally ignoring the shitstorm raised over even just his sunglasses! (literally the biggest deviation for the original designs before or after Tifa's reveal) The original showing of a little bit different looking cloud, caused a shitstorm as well. Some very extremely selective cherry picking going on with such arguments.. Which I guess is the norm when you barely have one to begin with.
It's always such a good reassuring feeling when the other side in a debate, knowing how utterly pitiful and devoid of reason, fact or logic their own personal position is, are forced to resort to silly petty ad-hominems and other fallacies of logical reason/debate, in a sad attempt to seem like they actually have an argument. Bonus points for deflective tactics and intentionally ignoring/missing the issue entirely. What a bunch of whiny babies.. "Waaaaaa they are talking about censorship.. waaaaaa" |
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I guess all the people insisting she wasn't changed and people were just finding stuff to be outraged over are eating a bit of crow right about now since Square themselves admitted they changed it. 
Yet all the naysayers and people screaming censorship and everything else conveniently have nothing to say about Papa Barret having a shirt on now.
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