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partysmores



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 1:27 pm Reply with quote
So, there's this watchdog group called Common Sense Media. They've been around reviewing all kinds of things for parents for a couple of years now. But now, one of their Asian reviewers is going after anime.

Her current anime reviews (will be updated):

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/tv-reviews/sailor-moon

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/tv-reviews/tai-chi-chasers

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/tv-reviews/soul-eater

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/tv-reviews/fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/tv-reviews/maison-ikkoku

Do you agree/disagree with this reviews? Please, no fighting. You can all agree to disagree, right?
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Tenbyakugon



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 1:47 pm Reply with quote
Parents need to learn how to parent, period. It's nobody's fault but yours (or your child's, in some cases) if your child becomes exposed to vices. And let's get real, sex, violence, drugs, etcetera... All of these things are inevitabilities of the real world. I don't believe sheltering them until they turn 18 (the apparent cut-off point these reviews use) and then expecting them to function in the real world, not ready to face these kinds of things, doesn't leave them vulnerable, because it does.

Ultimately, it's not hard for anyone to change the channel or for parents to learn how to utilize parental controls. And honestly, there's a reason why these shows are aired on late-night blocks like [Adult Swim] and Toonami. Let's use some common sense here people.


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TitanXL



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 1:50 pm Reply with quote
"Now"?

Tai-Chi Chasers isn't even anime.

And the idea of some religious Christain group reviewing Maison Ikkoku and pondering if it's suited for children makes me laugh.
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partysmores



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 1:56 pm Reply with quote
TitanXL wrote:
"Now"?

Tai-Chi Chasers isn't even anime.

And the idea of some religious Christain group reviewing Maison Ikkoku and pondering if it's suited for children makes me laugh.


Now, now, not even all of 'em are Christian.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:11 pm Reply with quote
Tenbyakugon wrote:
Parents need to learn how to parent, period. It's nobody's fault but yours (or your child's, in some cases) if your child becomes exposed to vices. And let's get real, sex, violence, drugs, etcetera... All of these things are inevitabilities of the real world. I don't believe sheltering them until they turn 18 (the apparent cut-off point these reviews use) and then expecting them to function in the real world, not ready to face these kinds of things, doesn't leave them vulnerable, because it does.


This is why I believe in taking kids to see Hard R films before they're even 10. Childhood is best when growing up on Steven Seagal films and Alien.
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ArsenicSteel



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:22 pm Reply with quote
TitanXL wrote:
"Now"?

Tai-Chi Chasers isn't even anime.

And the idea of some religious Christain group reviewing Maison Ikkoku and pondering if it's suited for children makes me laugh.


They just slapped their own age rating on the show and are saying 14 and up is a suitable starting age when considering the show's content this day and age. Other sites that use TV content rating systems have it at PG-13/PG. American rating systems go be content and not target demographic.

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Parents need to learn how to parent, period. It's nobody's fault but yours (or your child's, in some cases) if your child becomes exposed to vices. And let's get real, sex, violence, drugs, etcetera... All of these things are inevitabilities of the real world.

And using today's technology to help you parent is perfectly acceptable. If kids can use websites to categorize things like RottenTomatoes and IMDB then parents can also have websites that help them decide whether or not something is suitable for their child. It's not like every parent can sit down and do a full play through of a game or watch every episode of a TV show in order to know what their child is getting exposed to.
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noigeL



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:58 pm Reply with quote
Read the reviews, they seem fine. Maybe this varies depending on the author but Murakami seems to take a "just the facts, ma'am" approach. The "what parents need to know" section simply explains the kind of content the show has and it doesn't seem to really affect the review of the actual show; she recommends all the titles (except Tai Chi) to some degree. The age ratings seem realistic and I didn't feel like Murakami was pushing any religious or political beliefs on me.

The site I occasionally submit anime reviews to does something pretty similar; we have a parental guide section where we briefly explain the amount of violence, sex, language and mature themes the title has. The only difference is this site leads off with that info, whereas we put it near the end of the page; our reviews also tend me be a lot more in depth.
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Altacia



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 5:39 pm Reply with quote
Age 10 for Sailor Moon.


They obviously watched the edited version. Laughing
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yuna49



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 5:57 pm Reply with quote
Leaving aside the content of the reviews, one wonders about whether the reviewer is living in the 21st century. Maison Ikkoku? Sailor Moon? Where would kids be watching these shows anyway?
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ArsenicSteel



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 6:25 pm Reply with quote
Netflix maybe.
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partysmores



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:01 pm Reply with quote
Altacia wrote:
Age 10 for Sailor Moon.


They obviously watched the edited version. Laughing


Actually, they do mention the subtitled version in there as the main reason the "IFFY" range goes from ages 6-10. Some of the stuff in the Violence and Sexual Content listings are from the subtitled version but are mentioned as being erased in the English dub.
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ikillchicken



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:15 pm Reply with quote
They're not "targeting" anime. That is a completely overblown and hyperbolic thing to say. They provide guides for parents to how appropriate stuff is for kids. That's it. In fact, I read a couple of the reviews you linked to and they don't seem at all unreasonable.
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HaruhiToy



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:40 pm Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
They're not "targeting" anime. That is a completely overblown and hyperbolic thing to say. They provide guides for parents to how appropriate stuff is for kids. That's it. In fact, I read a couple of the reviews you linked to and they don't seem at all unreasonable.


I would second this, but I came here to say that I don't agree with the system of values that are always used with these things. Which is, specifically:

1. Sex is bad.
2. Sex is really really bad.
3. I want to keep sex away from my precious little snowflake as long as I can, forever if possible.
4. Drugs are bad. (mmkay?)
5. Violence is bad. We don't really feel that way but we say it anyway because the hippies browbeat us back in the 70's about always being down on sex in media while giving violence a free pass.
6. Upbeat family values messages that promote Faith in God are good.
7. Anything totally boring gets a pass.

Did I miss anything?

Note that Disney has to defend lawsuits now and then from hysterical parents thinking there is some subliminal sex message in some movie they made.

I really don't have much patience with parents who insist on sanitizing everything their kids see. They are going to see hardcore sex and violence sooner or later if they have any access to unsupervised Internet media -- and that will happen. It's best to give it to them in supervised doses which may make everyone uncomfortable but will avoid traumatizing them inadvertently later on.
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Kruszer



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:50 pm Reply with quote
My thoughts?

Well, as a qualified 29 year old adult, my folks no longer have any say in what I watch; haven't since I was like 12 actually and I turned out alright. Nor do I have any restrictions other than those I set for myself. I also don't have any children....but if I did, I certainly could figure out what is suitable for them myself and would prefer to do so, rather than taking advice from Mary Sue or Joe Smow Internet. Laughing


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ArsenicSteel



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:52 pm Reply with quote
You missed the mission statement.
That site isn't preaching about what is bad or good any more so than the MPAA or any other rating system. It's pretty much common knowledge that certain content increases the age rating for any media product.

That site seems to be one of the most fair and unbiased, religiously funded sites I have ever seen. Calling them a 'watchdog group' and saying they are targeting anime is a disservice to their site.
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