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Do people think radiation is contagious? It's sad to hear that some people may have been castigated after the reactor incident.

A Godzilla that became stronger with solar radiation would be very cool Or perhaps a Godzilla that became stronger if attacked with more energy (explosions).

How would the nuclear radiation even lead to atomic breath? Hydrogen sacs? Nuclear origins or not, Godzilla still defies taxonomic classification. There's already three origin stories for him in the movies, each of which drastically changes what it is and where it should fit in the tree of life.

The original Toho Godzilla was supposed to be a dinosaur. Someone at Toho even explained the dorsal plates by claiming that a Tyrannosaurus from the Cretaceous period mated with a Stegosaurus from the Jurassic despite all the obvious problems with that. There are other problems. Theropod dinosaurs historically have three fingers per hand; tyrannosaurs had two, and birds' fingers have fused and reabsorbed leaving nothing to build upon. They're also digitigrade, running on their toes with their heels up off the ground to provide that extra spring. If you look at the wings and legs of your KFC chicken, you're looking at the arms and legs of a maniraptoran dinosaur. Non-avian theropods also balanced on their hind legs like birds. Before the 1970s, the world didn't yet know this. Back then, they thought bipedal dinosaurs stood upright like kangaroos. When lizards stand erect, which they occasionally do, they stand upright with their tails dragging on the ground. Godzilla, however, is tetradactyl, having four digits on all four limbs like the Simpsons and McFarlaneverse characters have. He's also plantigrade, plodding on the whole foot, heel and all. They even had the gall to show LIVE TRILOBITES in Godzilla's footprints. Trilobites were already long extinct by the time the first dinosaurs evolved! Godzilla still can't be a dinosaur; he has to be something else. He's got differentiated teeth, which are rare in any diapsid ("Reptile"; heterodontosaurs and notosuchians are the only such critters I can think of that developed such teeth convergently), but more importantly, he's also got external ears and a nose. Not just nostrils, but a full-blown schnoz. These are strictly mammalian traits. This implies a Permian non-mammalian therapsid (read: BEFORE the dinosaurs, pterosaurs, mosasaurs, etc.). This would of course place Godzilla in the era of trilobites (they perished in the end-Permian extinction event), and more basal synapsids such as Dimetrodon and its vegan cousin Edaphosaurus would have been known for their dorsal spines. Otherwise, the only time we see mammalian traits on a sauropsid body (assuming the rest of the morphology matches) is in the depictions of Oriental dragons. Godzilla is obviously not a dragon; he'd have to have a long, serpentine body like Manda from Destroy All Monsters did.

Then you've got GINO: Godzilla In Name Only, a.k.a. Zilla, the Tristar remake. Instead of Godzilla being a Lost World dinosaur left on some island that time forgot, he's an irradiated iguana from the French Polynesian islands. Now here's where they fucked up their already good idea: They took a bent-over, tetradactyl, digitigrade dinosaur and called it an iquana. They also made it look much like a green iguana, the ones people keep as house pets. The only lizards I can think of that are native to the islands are three species of GECKOS. If Tristar wanted to make Godzilla a lizard, that's what they should have gone with. If we were to find Tristar's version, alive or in the fossil record, we'd sooner have classified it as a maniraptoran dinosaur. But just one big problem: the skeleton wouldn't match. For the biologically illiterate, DINOSAURS ARE NOT LIZARDS. Dinosaurs and lizards are on opposite branches of the diapsid family tree, and finding the skull of a lizard with the skeleton of a theropod dinosaur would be very confusing. The body plan isn't even consistent with that of megafauna, either. A large lizard wouldn't be running and leaping like a dromaeosaur. It would sooner plod about on load-bearing columns. Zilla couldn't even climb up the side of a building for the same reason that horses and rhinos can't climb trees!

The Legend Pictures version...oh boy. They took the original Toho version and scaled up more than twice as tall. It violates the square-cube law even worse. This Godzilla is 350 feet tall (for comparison, the original was 164 feet tall). The largest known dinosaur, Argentinosaurus, was 130 feet long. It was only 34 feet shorter than the Toho Godzilla was tall. If it's impossibly big already, there's already no need to make it even bigger! So if it's not a dinosaur, nor a lizard, nor a therapsid, then what is it? Seems we might as well have deified a misidentified dinosaur/lizard/therapsid chimera.

TL;DR: Godzilla is officially ruined by science.

Clyde_Cash wrote:

How would the nuclear radiation even lead to atomic breath? Hydrogen sacs? Nuclear origins or not, Godzilla still defies taxonomic classification. There's already three origin stories for him in the movies, each of which drastically changes what it is and where it should fit in the tree of life.

And if Godzilla is no longer considered to absorb....you know for his "food", what will he eat?--Tuna??

Most people understand nukes now. Still dangerous, but not the Great Scary Unknown Thing you base monsters (and superheroes) on, anymore.

So monsters (and superheroes) have to pick new boogymen to be sourced on. Spiderman was originally bitten by a "radioactive" spider. "Toxic waste" had a good run for a lot of supervillians when "radioactivity" became old hat. And now one of the recent movies has Mr. Parker bitten by a "genetically engineered" spider. (GMO bread is gonna make you into a slavering plant monster! Or give you the powers of Grain-Man, Defender of the Plains and Mighty Force for Regularity, one or the other.)

So, what do they mean by "energy" in the article? Just electricity? So now Godzilla's a Green-party Peak-oil Nightmare monster? "Oh noes, he's takin' all our energeees!" ? I'm hoping it's something more brilliant than that...

Godzilla has radioactive breathe.

The best thing about the new Godzilla movie was when Godzilla used his radioactive breathe. That was when I knew, that they had gotten it right.

This is just pure PC crap. But it isn't the first time.

Mikeski wrote:

GMO bread is gonna make you into a slavering plant monster! Or give you the powers of Grain-Man, Defender of the Plains and Mighty Force for Regularity, one or the other.

Funny, there's no genetically engineered wheat commercially available.

I'm stealing this for the Facebook group GMOLOL.

I think it is a good point that perhaps one reason why Godzilla is changed around is because most writers would want to use the most recent controversy in order to make the threat relevant to people who would be watching the movie at the time. Nuclear radiation still makes the most sense for an abnormally large reptile. Perhaps Godzilla could absorb UV radiation as a method of healing. I dunno, I just want a solar powered Godzilla (if its actually a cold blooded reptile).

Clyde_Cash wrote:

Mikeski wrote:

GMO bread is gonna make you into a slavering plant monster! Or give you the powers of Grain-Man, Defender of the Plains and Mighty Force for Regularity, one or the other.

Funny, there's no genetically engineered wheat commercially available.

I'm stealing this for the Facebook group GMOLOL.

Bread has more than just wheat. Sometimes the soybean oil and sugar used to make bread can be GMO. Also, there may be GMO yeast in the bread.

Heheh, would it be preferable if the Western release edits "energy" back to "radioactivity"? Laughing

Gasero wrote:

Do people think radiation is contagious? It's sad to hear that some people may have been castigated after the reactor incident.

After Fukushima: families on the edge of meltdown

Most unmentionable of all, cases of discrimination against people from Fukushima are arising within Japanese society. Social stigma attached to victims of radiation goes back to the aftermath of the wartime atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, when men could not find work and women were unable to marry due to fears they were "tainted". While the ignorance that remains is far from universal, it is highly insidious. Tales exist of people from Fukushima being barred from giving blood, having their car windows smashed or being asked to provide a medical certificate of their caesium levels on job applications.

A Tokyo maternity hospital advised a new mother not to let her Fukushima-based parents visit their new grandchild, "just to be safe". Prejudice against women is the most pervasive: many negative comments in the media and on websites insinuate that Fukushima women are "damaged goods". Even some people who are supposedly on the side of radiation victims are prepared to throw them on the reproductive scrap heap.

Last year, prominent anti-nuclear activist Hobun Ikeya, the head of the Ecosystem Conservation Society of Japan, said at a public meeting: "People from Fukushima should not marry because the deformity rate of their babies will skyrocket."

Discrimination increases torment of Fukushima

IT was supposed to be a lifetime highlight, but the wedding plans of a bride-to-be from Fukushima have turned into a nightmare thanks to the new post-crisis phenomenon of radiation discrimination.

The woman, whose name is not yet known, had booked a photographer for her wedding this month and was looking forward to tying the knot with her partner of eight years.

But her plans turned to ashes when her future mother-in-law blurted out: "What if we don't have a healthy child because of the radiation?"

It scarcely mattered that she had been living in Tokyo and was no closer to the plant than the majority of Japanese - the fact she grew up in Fukushima was enough for her to be discriminated against.

While Japanese society's cohesion and strength has shone through during this disaster, isolated examples of discrimination against the tens of thousands of refugees from around the nuclear plant began surfacing not long after the March 11 quake.

They include institutional and individual discrimination. The government of the city of Tsukuba, just northeast of Tokyo, was forced to apologise after forcing Fukushima area refugees who had sought shelter to obtain "radiation-free" certificates or undergo screening.

Katsunobu Sakurai said: "I was told by a mother with some children that when they went to a different area of Japan, they were warned by other children: 'You are contaminated don't come near me.'

"The children came home in tears. Having heard such stories, I made an appeal to the national government to ensure that proper education is given so that children do not say such terrible things."

Japanese media have reported on a Fukushima area evacuee family with young children that was driven out of Funabashi City near Tokyo after local children complained they might "infect" them with radiation.

The Fukushima Bar Association says evacuees and their children have been victimised and petrol stations have denied access to cars with Fukushima plates.

"Fukushima people have suffered from a great earthquake and tsunami. And because of the nuclear power plant accident, these people are now forced to leave their home town.

"In the midst of such unrest, it is extremely distressing to face discriminatory treatment at a new place where they evacuated to.

"It becomes more serious for the children if they are bullied or teased at school because that's where they spend most of their time apart from their homes."

http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/fukushima-37.html

Workers laboring in the recovery from the Fukushima accident suffer local discrimination. A team of psychologists from the National Defense Medical College have found that F. Daiichi workers face overt discrimination from the very community they are trying to protect. They tell therapists they have been chided by local people and threatened with signs on their doors telling them to leave. Some of their children have been taunted at school, and prospective landlords have turned them away.

Jun Shigemura, who heads the investigative team, told the Associated Press , “They have become targets of people’s anger.” Takeshi Tanigawa, an epidemiologist with Ehime University's medical school also says "More than health risk, they are worried about social risk and employment risk." Many TEPCO families in the area now hide their link to Tepco for fear of reprisal. The workers approached by the AP declined to be interviewed out of fear of further public criticism.

The situation resembles similar discrimination toward Hiroshima/Nagasaki survivors and their families after WWII, which still plagues many second and third generation descendants of “Hibakusha” (atomic bomb survivors). The Japanese Press has offered the workers little praise, unlike the Western media which has portrayed the remaining band of workers at the plant as heroic. The domestic press has consistently emphasizes how the dangers faced by the workers exemplifies the risks of nuclear power.

(Yeah, and older movies wouldn't want to portray Godzilla in a way that would traumatize old Hiroshima survivors, would they?....) Rolling Eyes

Technically speaking, excessive exposure to radiation *can* cause damage to reproductive organs and genes, which *can* result in birth defects in the offspring of those exposed. However, that sort of thing tends to require fairly significant exposure to radiation or radioactive material (contaminants). I would guess that the only people that might possibly fit that category would be the radiological workers that were involved in the cleanup operations -- I very much doubt your average citizen got anything close to the levels needed for something like that to even be possible.

EricJ2 wrote:

Clyde_Cash wrote:

How would the nuclear radiation even lead to atomic breath? Hydrogen sacs? Nuclear origins or not, Godzilla still defies taxonomic classification. There's already three origin stories for him in the movies, each of which drastically changes what it is and where it should fit in the tree of life.

And if Godzilla is no longer considered to absorb....you know for his "food", what will he eat?--Tuna??

First, Godzilla couldn't exist on land due to the square-cube law. You cannot just scale something up or down in size and expect it to still work. It's why an ant will survive a 3-foot fall while an elephant would die from it. It's also why Robert Wadlow and Andre the Giant both died as young as they did. It also fucks beached whales over as their bodies are too heavy to support them on land. The only way he could live is if he were a full-time aquatic animal. Then it's not an issue because the water supports his weight.

Second, assuming Godzilla were aquatic, an animal of his size would sooner be a filter-feeder. The biggest whales are baleen whales for good reason: it's more efficient than actively hunting prey. So Godzilla would sooner be a gentle giant than some kill-happy monster.

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I just want a solar powered Godzilla (if its actually a cold blooded reptile).

If Godzilla were exothermic, he'd have to have a low-slung body with a sprawling gait like lizards and lissamphibians (salamanders, frogs, etc.) do. Erect limbs are right out unless he were a crocodile-line archosaur and had an erect high walk as crocs sometimes do.

Clyde_Cash wrote:

Your entire post

Wow, that was quite a rant.

But you know Clyde, Godzilla is still just a work of fiction. Fiction lets us muck around with the laws of nature, mathematics and physics to suit our imaginations. I understand where you're coming from, but again, the Big G's fictional. Like many made up characters, he defies logic when it comes to his existence. It's what makes him and many fictional creations so endearing.

Clyde_Cash wrote:

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I just want a solar powered Godzilla (if its actually a cold blooded reptile).

If Godzilla were exothermic, he'd have to have a low-slung body with a sprawling gait like lizards and lissamphibians (salamanders, frogs, etc.) do. Erect limbs are right out unless he were a crocodile-line archosaur and had an erect high walk as crocs sometimes do.

Are you seriously gonna bring that much science into it? Don't be that guy. If you really cared that much about science your post would have just said "Godzilla does not exist".

Gasero wrote:

Do people think radiation is contagious? It's sad to hear that some people may have been castigated after the reactor incident.

After Fukushima: families on the edge of meltdown

Most unmentionable of all, cases of discrimination against people from Fukushima are arising within Japanese society. Social stigma attached to victims of radiation goes back to the aftermath of the wartime atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, when men could not find work and women were unable to marry due to fears they were "tainted". While the ignorance that remains is far from universal, it is highly insidious. Tales exist of people from Fukushima being barred from giving blood, having their car windows smashed or being asked to provide a medical certificate of their caesium levels on job applications.

A Tokyo maternity hospital advised a new mother not to let her Fukushima-based parents visit their new grandchild, "just to be safe". Prejudice against women is the most pervasive: many negative comments in the media and on websites insinuate that Fukushima women are "damaged goods". Even some people who are supposedly on the side of radiation victims are prepared to throw them on the reproductive scrap heap.

Last year, prominent anti-nuclear activist Hobun Ikeya, the head of the Ecosystem Conservation Society of Japan, said at a public meeting: "People from Fukushima should not marry because the deformity rate of their babies will skyrocket."

Discrimination increases torment of Fukushima

IT was supposed to be a lifetime highlight, but the wedding plans of a bride-to-be from Fukushima have turned into a nightmare thanks to the new post-crisis phenomenon of radiation discrimination.

The woman, whose name is not yet known, had booked a photographer for her wedding this month and was looking forward to tying the knot with her partner of eight years.

But her plans turned to ashes when her future mother-in-law blurted out: "What if we don't have a healthy child because of the radiation?"

It scarcely mattered that she had been living in Tokyo and was no closer to the plant than the majority of Japanese - the fact she grew up in Fukushima was enough for her to be discriminated against.

While Japanese society's cohesion and strength has shone through during this disaster, isolated examples of discrimination against the tens of thousands of refugees from around the nuclear plant began surfacing not long after the March 11 quake.

They include institutional and individual discrimination. The government of the city of Tsukuba, just northeast of Tokyo, was forced to apologise after forcing Fukushima area refugees who had sought shelter to obtain "radiation-free" certificates or undergo screening.

Katsunobu Sakurai said: "I was told by a mother with some children that when they went to a different area of Japan, they were warned by other children: 'You are contaminated don't come near me.'

"The children came home in tears. Having heard such stories, I made an appeal to the national government to ensure that proper education is given so that children do not say such terrible things."

Japanese media have reported on a Fukushima area evacuee family with young children that was driven out of Funabashi City near Tokyo after local children complained they might "infect" them with radiation.

The Fukushima Bar Association says evacuees and their children have been victimised and petrol stations have denied access to cars with Fukushima plates.

"Fukushima people have suffered from a great earthquake and tsunami. And because of the nuclear power plant accident, these people are now forced to leave their home town.

"In the midst of such unrest, it is extremely distressing to face discriminatory treatment at a new place where they evacuated to.

"It becomes more serious for the children if they are bullied or teased at school because that's where they spend most of their time apart from their homes."

http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/fukushima-37.html

Workers laboring in the recovery from the Fukushima accident suffer local discrimination. A team of psychologists from the National Defense Medical College have found that F. Daiichi workers face overt discrimination from the very community they are trying to protect. They tell therapists they have been chided by local people and threatened with signs on their doors telling them to leave. Some of their children have been taunted at school, and prospective landlords have turned them away.

Jun Shigemura, who heads the investigative team, told the Associated Press , “They have become targets of people’s anger.” Takeshi Tanigawa, an epidemiologist with Ehime University's medical school also says "More than health risk, they are worried about social risk and employment risk." Many TEPCO families in the area now hide their link to Tepco for fear of reprisal. The workers approached by the AP declined to be interviewed out of fear of further public criticism.

The situation resembles similar discrimination toward Hiroshima/Nagasaki survivors and their families after WWII, which still plagues many second and third generation descendants of “Hibakusha” (atomic bomb survivors). The Japanese Press has offered the workers little praise, unlike the Western media which has portrayed the remaining band of workers at the plant as heroic. The domestic press has consistently emphasizes how the dangers faced by the workers exemplifies the risks of nuclear power.

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Unfortunately, there are numerous people on this side of the Pacific that are equally ignorant of how radiation works. Not a day goes by that I don't come across some article or video claiming that Fukushima Daichi's reactors are quickly contaminating the entirety of the Pacific Ocean, even though that has been debunked by people who actually know what they're talking about so many times it isn't even funny.

So not minding that Godzilla is destroying cities in Japan is cool and all? I mean, it isn't like Japan was bombed heavily so something in the past... Oh, wait.

Sometimes, people walking on their toes around everything is more annoying than confronting the matter.

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