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BBB&B is just as funny and action packed as BBB was! Anime smile
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I'm just glad they're acknowledging that the anime original events of the last season actually happened. It's not odd for shows like this to pretend it never happened for the sake of being more source faithful.
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BBB&B is up to a good start. Rie Matsumoto and other staff members from the first season are not working on Beyond, but I trust Bones and the staff to give all their passion in the sequel. And although this second season will probably not be as great as the first one, I am happy to have more BBB anime in my life.
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The first episode was frantic and hilarious and reminded me of how much i love this show. The second one slowed down a bit but prominently featured Klaus and there can never be too much Klaus!

So far i didn't notice a substantial drop in quality compared to the first season and i'm hopeful it'll remain that way. Bring on the madness~! Very Happy
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Maybe I'm not paying close enough attention, but I kept getting lost on what was happening. I didn't release the fog thing was eve a flashback at first.
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While it hasn't been quite as good as the original, BBB&B is still a great show. While I miss Matsumoto's direction, the new director is doing well enough, and bringing their own voice to the series (for example, the rap intro Gabriella mentioned). The animation is still on point, to put it lightly, and the source material is still enjoyable. Looking forward to more.

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First thing's first, the reviewer for this series has changed from the first season. My predecessor, Jacob Chapman, was sent off to a critic's farm upstate, where he now roams free, managing site-wide editorial and plugging away at his upcoming video game. I hope that I can be a passable substitute for him in terms of quality (though not word count, dear lord).


Don't worry, you're doing fine. I'd go so far to say that you've been a good substitute for Jacob, not only for this series but also in general. I haven't always found it agreeable, but that is neither here nor there.

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Maybe I'm not paying close enough attention, but I kept getting lost on what was happening. I didn't release the fog thing was eve a flashback at first.


They did put 3 years ago on the screen at the beginning of the flashback, and I believe that segment was letter-boxed throughout, like some older movies.
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I might sound like a butthurt, but while Rie Matsumoto did a good job visually, so far this season is better than the first in terms of writing. Because of White and Black´s storyline, there was a poor management in the narrative:
1- White and Black´s storyline got too much screentime, despite not being, IMO, a well done narrative.
2- Libra´s cast got the short end of the stick, was it was only utilized when action scenes happened, except for Klaus and Zapp who got some screentime.
3-Leo didn´t seem to interact much with Libra, and his interactions were more with White, which is not bad, but Leo is supposed to also be the audience´s POV to this crazy world.
4-The series didn´t have a good balance between its crazy comedic points and the serious narrative. Both were clashing against one another.
5-IMO, the series felt like walking the line between being a Cowboy Bebop-like show, and being a shonen about people with superpowers.

With this new director, this season feels more like what Season 1 should´ve been, so if it continues, I´m thankful for it. There´s an actual balance of moments, and given that so far there´s no overarching storyline to disrupt the episodic narratives, it´s all good.
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SkerllyFC07 wrote:
I might sound like a butthurt, but while Rie Matsumoto did a good job visually, so far this season is better than the first in terms of writing. Because of White and Black´s storyline, there was a poor management in the narrative

While I really like Matsumoto's wok on BBB, I think I get the position of people who were not fans of the White and Black stuff. I was disappointed when I learned that Matsumoto was not coming back for the sequel, but over the past months I have started to look forward to what the new director and new staff can bring to the mix.
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SkerllyFC07 wrote:
There´s an actual balance of moments, and given that so far there´s no overarching storyline to disrupt the episodic narratives, it´s all good.


I'm not sure how an overarching storyline could even "disrupt the episodic narratives", considering that all of that only really happened at the beginning or the end of each episodes. Sometimes, it even gives meaning to the episodic feature that happened, such as the episode where Leo took White out to see a movie together. If anything, it ties the show together, give it some progression and a sense of coherence.
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Loving the start to the new season, I think the new staff are off to a great start and the characters, animation, etc. are just as dynamic, fun, and exciting as ever.

Vaisaga wrote:
I'm just glad they're acknowledging that the anime original events of the last season actually happened. It's not odd for shows like this to pretend it never happened for the sake of being more source faithful.


Yeah, I agree, that was cool.
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Niello wrote:
SkerllyFC07 wrote:
There´s an actual balance of moments, and given that so far there´s no overarching storyline to disrupt the episodic narratives, it´s all good.


I'm not sure how an overarching storyline could even "disrupt the episodic narratives", considering that all of that only really happened at the beginning or the end of each episodes. Sometimes, it even gives meaning to the episodic feature that happened, such as the episode where Leo took White out to see a movie together. If anything, it ties the show together, give it some progression and a sense of coherence.


if you're not sure, I will inform you.

Last season, every episode from 2 onward started with Black and White's subplot, and ended with Black and White's sublot. This stupid plotline was always 100% detached from the rest of the episode.

Episode 4 introduced the Blood Breed, the most fearsome enemies in the story, and it was almost a whole volume in the manga. The anime truncated it to not just one episode, but about 16 minutes total. The actual Blood Breeds had about 2 minutes of screen time. Just to make room for Black and White.

Episode 5 introduced Brody and Hammer, who are main characters. This episode's main story (Aligula and her car-eating car) was also truncated down to almost nothing, just so there could be a 5 minute long worthless scene about White.

Near the end, there was a two-parter where Zapp's master and Zed show up. This was huge. Major backstory for main characters, and another full-time cast member. And there was the second major fight with a Blood Breed. The entire fight with the Blood Breed was crammed down to about 10 minutes and ***half of the entire conclusion episode to this arc*** was instead made about Black walking around some ****ing carnival talking about NOTHING.

The first 10 episodes also completely skipped over entire plotlines about the actual main characters: Klaus, Leo, Zapp, Stephen, Chain, KK, Brody, and Mummybutler, instead relegating everyone but Zapp and Leo to background characters. Chain is a main character who had maybe 10 lines all of last season to Black and White's entire episodes' worth.

And finally, the last three or so episodes of the season were 100% about Black and White with no actual manga characters to be seen, except for Leo. The setting changed from the central city to B&W's stupid farm. The mysterious, unsolvable nature of the atmosphere was brushed aside and the story was now about wizards or something. It was all drama and no action or comedy. The narrative at this point had made BBB into a completely different series. And Black and White's story didn't even make sense, it was a convoluted mess.

It's like if you took Cowboy Bebop and inserted clips of Space Battleship Yamato at the start and end of every episode, and then swapped out the final block of episodes with Yamato, featuring Spike cameos.

It was really bad dude

Also, the manga is mostly episodic but it does have progression. The progression is finding out more regarding the cast's characterization and pasts. BBB is cool because the characters and setting are so incredibly endearing, and it's understandable that anime viewers wouldn't get that due to so many of those main characters being butchered last season. There are also tons of plot threads that get touched upon over time, like the Blood Breeds, the 13 Kings, the nature of the city, etc. It's all really interesting.

"Why is Klaus a 7ft tall human with fangs and incredible stamina?"
"wtf are Leo's eyes"
"why are KK and Stephen so tense around each other?"
"who are the 13 Kings?"

these are the mysterious the series presents without comment, and touches upon slowly over time

If I were to take a guess, this season will probably touch on the origin of Leo's eyes and the backstories for most of the cast. It's pretty much the same kind of progression that Bebop had.
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Axbox360



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:22 am Reply with quote
Nyron wrote:
Niello wrote:
SkerllyFC07 wrote:
There´s an actual balance of moments, and given that so far there´s no overarching storyline to disrupt the episodic narratives, it´s all good.


I'm not sure how an overarching storyline could even "disrupt the episodic narratives", considering that all of that only really happened at the beginning or the end of each episodes. Sometimes, it even gives meaning to the episodic feature that happened, such as the episode where Leo took White out to see a movie together. If anything, it ties the show together, give it some progression and a sense of coherence.


if you're not sure, I will inform you.

Last season, every episode from 2 onward started with Black and White's subplot, and ended with Black and White's sublot. This stupid plotline was always 100% detached from the rest of the episode.

Episode 4 introduced the Blood Breed, the most fearsome enemies in the story, and it was almost a whole volume in the manga. The anime truncated it to not just one episode, but about 16 minutes total. The actual Blood Breeds had about 2 minutes of screen time. Just to make room for Black and White.

Episode 5 introduced Brody and Hammer, who are main characters. This episode's main story (Aligula and her car-eating car) was also truncated down to almost nothing, just so there could be a 5 minute long worthless scene about White.

Near the end, there was a two-parter where Zapp's master and Zed show up. This was huge. Major backstory for main characters, and another full-time cast member. And there was the second major fight with a Blood Breed. The entire fight with the Blood Breed was crammed down to about 10 minutes and ***half of the entire conclusion episode to this arc*** was instead made about Black walking around some ****ing carnival talking about NOTHING.

The first 10 episodes also completely skipped over entire plotlines about the actual main characters: Klaus, Leo, Zapp, Stephen, Chain, KK, Brody, and Mummybutler, instead relegating everyone but Zapp and Leo to background characters. Chain is a main character who had maybe 10 lines all of last season to Black and White's entire episodes' worth.

And finally, the last three or so episodes of the season were 100% about Black and White with no actual manga characters to be seen, except for Leo. The setting changed from the central city to B&W's stupid farm. The mysterious, unsolvable nature of the atmosphere was brushed aside and the story was now about wizards or something. It was all drama and no action or comedy. The narrative at this point had made BBB into a completely different series. And Black and White's story didn't even make sense, it was a convoluted mess.

It's like if you took Cowboy Bebop and inserted clips of Space Battleship Yamato at the start and end of every episode, and then swapped out the final block of episodes with Yamato, featuring Spike cameos.

It was really bad dude

Also, the manga is mostly episodic but it does have progression. The progression is finding out more regarding the cast's characterization and pasts. BBB is cool because the characters and setting are so incredibly endearing, and it's understandable that anime viewers wouldn't get that due to so many of those main characters being butchered last season. There are also tons of plot threads that get touched upon over time, like the Blood Breeds, the 13 Kings, the nature of the city, etc. It's all really interesting.

"Why is Klaus a 7ft tall human with fangs and incredible stamina?"
"wtf are Leo's eyes"
"why are KK and Stephen so tense around each other?"
"who are the 13 Kings?"

these are the mysterious the series presents without comment, and touches upon slowly over time

If I were to take a guess, this season will probably touch on the origin of Leo's eyes and the backstories for most of the cast. It's pretty much the same kind of progression that Bebop had.


Even if the manga has progression. There won't be enough time of all those extra manga plot points in a 12 episode season. And the anime might feel a bit too episodic for people who don't read the manga.

Black and white parents were castors were they not? In episode 2 of the new season they were probably one of the castors that helped held up the city in placed so the story was not "butchered" for something that was pretty episodic anyways.

The relationship with white and her brother was a great parallell contrast to Leo's relationship with his sister.
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[quote="Axbox360"]
Nyron wrote:
Niello wrote:
SkerllyFC07 wrote:
There´s an actual balance of moments, and given that so far there´s no overarching storyline to disrupt the episodic narratives, it´s all good.


I'm not sure how an overarching storyline could even "disrupt the episodic narratives", considering that all of that only really happened at the beginning or the end of each episodes. Sometimes, it even gives meaning to the episodic feature that happened, such as the episode where Leo took White out to see a movie together. If anything, it ties the show together, give it some progression and a sense of coherence.


if you're not sure, I will inform you.

Last season, every episode from 2 onward started with Black and White's subplot, and ended with Black and White's sublot. This stupid plotline was always 100% detached from the rest of the episode.

Episode 4 introduced the Blood Breed, the most fearsome enemies in the story, and it was almost a whole volume in the manga. The anime truncated it to not just one episode, but about 16 minutes total. The actual Blood Breeds had about 2 minutes of screen time. Just to make room for Black and White.

Episode 5 introduced Brody and Hammer, who are main characters. This episode's main story (Aligula and her car-eating car) was also truncated down to almost nothing, just so there could be a 5 minute long worthless scene about White.

Near the end, there was a two-parter where Zapp's master and Zed show up. This was huge. Major backstory for main characters, and another full-time cast member. And there was the second major fight with a Blood Breed. The entire fight with the Blood Breed was crammed down to about 10 minutes and ***half of the entire conclusion episode to this arc*** was instead made about Black walking around some ****ing carnival talking about NOTHING.

The first 10 episodes also completely skipped over entire plotlines about the actual main characters: Klaus, Leo, Zapp, Stephen, Chain, KK, Brody, and Mummybutler, instead relegating everyone but Zapp and Leo to background characters. Chain is a main character who had maybe 10 lines all of last season to Black and White's entire episodes' worth.

And finally, the last three or so episodes of the season were 100% about Black and White with no actual manga characters to be seen, except for Leo. The setting changed from the central city to B&W's stupid farm. The mysterious, unsolvable nature of the atmosphere was brushed aside and the story was now about wizards or something. It was all drama and no action or comedy. The narrative at this point had made BBB into a completely different series. And Black and White's story didn't even make sense, it was a convoluted mess.

It's like if you took Cowboy Bebop and inserted clips of Space Battleship Yamato at the start and end of every episode, and then swapped out the final block of episodes with Yamato, featuring Spike cameos.

It was really bad dude

Also, the manga is mostly episodic but it does have progression. The progression is finding out more regarding the cast's characterization and pasts. BBB is cool because the characters and setting are so incredibly endearing, and it's understandable that anime viewers wouldn't get that due to so many of those main characters being butchered last season. There are also tons of plot threads that get touched upon over time, like the Blood Breeds, the 13 Kings, the nature of the city, etc. It's all really interesting.

"Why is Klaus a 7ft tall human with fangs and incredible stamina?"
"wtf are Leo's eyes"
"why are KK and Stephen so tense around each other?"
"who are the 13 Kings?"

these are the mysterious the series presents without comment, and touches upon slowly over time

If I were to take a guess, this season will probably touch on the origin of Leo's eyes and the backstories for most of the cast. It's pretty much the same kind of progression that Bebop had.


Even if the manga has progression. There won't be enough time of all those extra manga plot points in a 12 episode season. And the anime might feel a bit too episodic for people who don't read the manga.

Black and white parents were castors were they not? In episode 2 of the new season they were probably one of the castors that helped held up the city in placed so the story was not "butchered" for something that was pretty episodic anyways.

The relationship with white and her brother was a great parallell contrast to Leo's relationship with his sister.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/910N2hq2oVL._SL1500_.jpg
^Not to mention Nightow did this illustration of black and white for on of the DVD covers for the anime so he probably approved Matsumoto's idea[/url]
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i don't think casters were even in the manga, but props to the writers of this season for bringing that back really subtly. In the original story, the city is what it is, and there was no complex wizard thing that stopped the big collapse.

Also I see that logic all the time, about White being a good parallel to Michela. but I'm not really sure why that's valid because Michela is already a character and there are already plotlines about her lmao

There was definitely enough content in the manga for them to make a 12 episode season work last time, and you'll see that this season. I'm pretty sure the ED is telling of what content is going to be covered, and it's gonna be great
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Axbox360 wrote:
Nyron wrote:


if you're not sure, I will inform you.

Last season, every episode from 2 onward started with Black and White's subplot, and ended with Black and White's sublot. This stupid plotline was always 100% detached from the rest of the episode.

Episode 4 introduced the Blood Breed, the most fearsome enemies in the story, and it was almost a whole volume in the manga. The anime truncated it to not just one episode, but about 16 minutes total. The actual Blood Breeds had about 2 minutes of screen time. Just to make room for Black and White.

Episode 5 introduced Brody and Hammer, who are main characters. This episode's main story (Aligula and her car-eating car) was also truncated down to almost nothing, just so there could be a 5 minute long worthless scene about White.

Near the end, there was a two-parter where Zapp's master and Zed show up. This was huge. Major backstory for main characters, and another full-time cast member. And there was the second major fight with a Blood Breed. The entire fight with the Blood Breed was crammed down to about 10 minutes and ***half of the entire conclusion episode to this arc*** was instead made about Black walking around some ****ing carnival talking about NOTHING.

The first 10 episodes also completely skipped over entire plotlines about the actual main characters: Klaus, Leo, Zapp, Stephen, Chain, KK, Brody, and Mummybutler, instead relegating everyone but Zapp and Leo to background characters. Chain is a main character who had maybe 10 lines all of last season to Black and White's entire episodes' worth.

And finally, the last three or so episodes of the season were 100% about Black and White with no actual manga characters to be seen, except for Leo. The setting changed from the central city to B&W's stupid farm. The mysterious, unsolvable nature of the atmosphere was brushed aside and the story was now about wizards or something. It was all drama and no action or comedy. The narrative at this point had made BBB into a completely different series. And Black and White's story didn't even make sense, it was a convoluted mess.

It's like if you took Cowboy Bebop and inserted clips of Space Battleship Yamato at the start and end of every episode, and then swapped out the final block of episodes with Yamato, featuring Spike cameos.

It was really bad dude

Also, the manga is mostly episodic but it does have progression. The progression is finding out more regarding the cast's characterization and pasts. BBB is cool because the characters and setting are so incredibly endearing, and it's understandable that anime viewers wouldn't get that due to so many of those main characters being butchered last season. There are also tons of plot threads that get touched upon over time, like the Blood Breeds, the 13 Kings, the nature of the city, etc. It's all really interesting.

"Why is Klaus a 7ft tall human with fangs and incredible stamina?"
"wtf are Leo's eyes"
"why are KK and Stephen so tense around each other?"
"who are the 13 Kings?"

these are the mysterious the series presents without comment, and touches upon slowly over time

If I were to take a guess, this season will probably touch on the origin of Leo's eyes and the backstories for most of the cast. It's pretty much the same kind of progression that Bebop had.


Even if the manga has progression. There won't be enough time of all those extra manga plot points in a 12 episode season. And the anime might feel a bit too episodic for people who don't read the manga.

Black and white parents were castors were they not? In episode 2 of the new season they were probably one of the castors that helped held up the city in placed so the story was not "butchered" for something that was pretty episodic anyways.

The relationship with white and her brother was a great parallell contrast to Leo's relationship with his sister.


Your argument is automatically invalidated by the fact that the manga on its own and of itself is popular. People liked the episodic nature that slowly led up to bigger plots. There's no reason anime viewers all the same would not have liked it.

And Leo's relationship with his sister doesn't need a f**king parallel when the anime didn't even get to the extent of their backstory BECAUSE of Black and White's existence.
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