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omiya



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:20 pm Reply with quote
Median wages of various categories should be reported rather than average wages.
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maximilianjenus



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newsflash, entry level jobs have entry level wages.

Thankfully, it looks like inbetween both will keep on being pushed to countries where 1k usd per month nets you a good quality of life and that it will also get pushed to automation/ai; Which means that it will become like software where entry levels jobs will eaither cease to exist or will be much harder so that they feel like completely different jobs.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:09 pm Reply with quote
maximilianjenus wrote:
Thankfully, it looks like inbetween both will keep on being pushed to countries where 1k usd per month nets you a good quality of life and that it will also get pushed to automation/ai; Which means that it will become like software where entry levels jobs will eaither cease to exist or will be much harder so that they feel like completely different jobs.

I agree that their is a push towards outsourcing for in-between animators but while that is good for corporate profits it is bad for Japanese animators. It means fewer animation jobs and less opportunity to gain the experience for the better animation jobs which over time will also be outsourced. The best solution would be to increase wages for in-between animators and while that would have short term negatives it would far better for the anime industry in the long term.
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Hoppy800



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:47 pm Reply with quote
maximilianjenus wrote:
newsflash, entry level jobs have entry level wages.


$12k is not an entry level wage in a first world country. It needs to be increased right away.
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whiskeyii



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:21 pm Reply with quote
Hoppy800 wrote:
maximilianjenus wrote:
newsflash, entry level jobs have entry level wages.


$12k is not an entry level wage in a first world country. It needs to be increased right away.


To put this in perspective, the lowest reported wage at McDonald's for a "crew member" (ie, not a cashier) is $7/hour. Full time nets you $280 a week, which translates to $14,560 a year before taxes. Not including taxes, people working full-time at an American McDonald's make *more* money than Japanese in-between animators who frequently work overtime. That's just insane. Mad
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DavetheUsher



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:25 am Reply with quote
whiskeyii wrote:
To put this in perspective, the lowest reported wage at McDonald's for a "crew member" (ie, not a cashier) is $7/hour. Full time nets you $280 a week, which translates to $14,560 a year before taxes. Not including taxes, people working full-time at an American McDonald's make *more* money than Japanese in-between animators who frequently work overtime. That's just insane. Mad


That's assuming these people are working full time. Without knowing the exact hours someone works we can't say. Averages only say so much. Japan also might have a lower minimum wage for where they people are working.
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Blanchimont



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:05 am Reply with quote
DavetheUsher wrote:
That's assuming these people are working full time. Without knowing the exact hours someone works we can't say. Averages only say so much. Japan also might have a lower minimum wage for where they people are working.

It's right there in the article;
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The Labor Newspaper reports that people in the anime industry work an average of 9.66 hours per day and take an average of 5.40 days off per month.

If that's not enough, here's from an ANN article from a few years ago when it was even worse;
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NHK News Report

The study's results gained attention on the Internet when NHK News reported part of the study's results on April 29. NHK News reported that young animators work an average of 11 hours every day, and in-between (dōga) animators — many of whom are in their 20s — earn a yearly income of around 1.1 million yen (around US$9,200). The in-between animator is the entry-level position in the anime industry, and this income average does not include animators in higher positions or with more experience.
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:37 am Reply with quote
Anime revenue sales have increased, but profits may not be

Studios have to figure out alternative ways to make money for themselves, like how voice actors figure out other ways to supplement their income
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NeverConvex



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:05 am Reply with quote
whiskeyii wrote:
Hoppy800 wrote:
maximilianjenus wrote:
newsflash, entry level jobs have entry level wages.


$12k is not an entry level wage in a first world country. It needs to be increased right away.


To put this in perspective, the lowest reported wage at McDonald's for a "crew member" (ie, not a cashier) is $7/hour. Full time nets you $280 a week, which translates to $14,560 a year before taxes. Not including taxes, people working full-time at an American McDonald's make *more* money than Japanese in-between animators who frequently work overtime. That's just insane. Mad


The fundamental picture also doesn't change very much (i.e., still looks quite bleak -- worse, actually) even if we attempt to account for differences between countries' local prices using Purchasing Power Parity:

>>> 1250000./101.373
12330.699495921004

It looks somewhat better (albeit still not great) if we use the "Big Mac Index" (but I'm not sure it's sensible to index peoples' pay to how much McDonald's they can buy!):

>>> 1250000./((3.5/5.51)*109.48)
17974.581136802546

Though that does make me wonder what things would look like if we did separate comparisons on 'typical' baskets of food, housing, etc.
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