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NEWS: Shin Ikki Tousen Anime's Promo Video Reveals Staff, May 17 Debut




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Nachtwandler



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:34 am Reply with quote
Something is wrong here. Wasn't ARMS got bankrupt in 2020? Has it re-emerged now?
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Psajdak





PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:05 am Reply with quote
When you think about it, it's kinda incredible that this series is still getting anime to this day.
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Chiyosuke



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:43 am Reply with quote
Wait... I thought Arms went to the abyss. Are they independent of Pierrot and St. Signpost now?
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GhostD



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:32 am Reply with quote
Psajdak wrote:
When you think about it, it's kinda incredible that this series is still getting anime to this day.


Indeed but Shin is a proper sequel to the original with the manga still ongoing IIRC. If anything Im surprised this only gets 3 episodes.
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Bvick00



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:52 am Reply with quote
3 eps only? The same length as the previous OVA series - Disappointing Sad . But the thing that has piqued my interest is that Arms is animating it! Strange considering they went bankrupt in 2020 and nobody has heard news about their supposed revival. Maybe this trailer is their way of saying they are back in action!
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DRosencraft



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:28 am Reply with quote
Nachtwandler wrote:
Something is wrong here. Wasn't ARMS got bankrupt in 2020? Has it re-emerged now?


Don't know their full story, but typically Ch 11 Bankruptcy is merely a salve to keep creditors at bay while you renegotiate debt and try to accumulate capital to pay off said debt. Company's don't normally go away in Ch 11 unless their efforts fail, in which case they then have to sell their assets to cover their debts, or sell the company itself, and typically the new owner of the company would have to assume the debt (would consider as much as part of the purchase price). Some creditors will be allowed to target the assets of the former owners and execs, thus failing to renegotiate or sell is not a "free pass" on the debt that forced the company into bankruptcy. Under Ch 11 they're still an operating business, meaning they also still can incur expenses and liabilities to pay off, such as employees (though they will likely have laid off most). In this case that may explain in part the episode count - a smaller project to generate more cash short term and hopefully more work long term.

So, technically speaking, as a bankrupt company they would and should still be trying to get work. It would help them emerge from bankruptcy, and worse case it would make them a more attractive buyout target for whatever value they have or are able to build up.
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Rob19ny



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:44 am Reply with quote
Konomi Suzuki just don't miss. Of course Arms is back. Shin is a call to arms.
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Netero



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:10 am Reply with quote
DRosencraft wrote:
Don't know their full story, but typically Ch 11 Bankruptcy is merely a salve to keep creditors at bay while you renegotiate debt and try to accumulate capital to pay off said debt.

ARMS is/was a Japanese company, not American. Still, there's a thing called the Civil Rehabilitation Law in Japan which is similar to Chapter 11 in that it lets a bankrupt company have some time to try to sort itself out before it gets liquidated.

That said, Wikipedia notes that ARMS shut down on August 4 2020. Strange - not that I'm in any way complaining about some more Ikki Tousen, though!
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DRosencraft



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:25 pm Reply with quote
Netero wrote:
DRosencraft wrote:
Don't know their full story, but typically Ch 11 Bankruptcy is merely a salve to keep creditors at bay while you renegotiate debt and try to accumulate capital to pay off said debt.

ARMS is/was a Japanese company, not American. Still, there's a thing called the Civil Rehabilitation Law in Japan which is similar to Chapter 11 in that it lets a bankrupt company have some time to try to sort itself out before it gets liquidated.

That said, Wikipedia notes that ARMS shut down on August 4 2020. Strange - not that I'm in any way complaining about some more Ikki Tousen, though!


Sorry, I used Ch 11 as a broad example as most developed/WTO nations use a very similar version of the US bankruptcy law, particularly Ch 11. I wouldn't fully trust the Wiki, as I don't know who updated the information. In my experience people tend to lump all forms of bankruptcy together as just "bankruptcy" and assume that shutdown is automatic, which is not the case. In this case we can either assume the author of the article misidentified the studio involved, or the Wiki mistakenly identified the bankruptcy filing date (or I've even seen office closure dates misidentified in some bankruptcy cases).

Bankruptcy usually sucks for everyone involved, so hopefully this is one case that resolved well. And as said, nothing wrong with some more Ikki Tousen.
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Casval Rem Deikun



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:29 pm Reply with quote
Such a nice surprise. Really wish someone would take the manga rights away from Tokyopop.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:43 pm Reply with quote
There is an alternative to something akin to a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. Usually in bankruptcy all assets of a company are sold. If the name Arms still has some value it is possible someone simply bought the name and any remaining assets. Either way, you have an old studio name wrapped around a new company. The creative staff of the old company would have been fired within weeks of filing for any sort of bankruptcy. If the new company was able to recruit the appropriate members of the old staff, the new show may have some of the "look" and quality of the old studio, most likely not though.
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DevilBrew



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:02 pm Reply with quote
Disappointed that it'll only be 3 episodes but its still something fun to look forward to.
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