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Lord Geo
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On the one hand, the near-20 year curse on baseball manga that's haunted Shonen Jump ever since Mr. Fullswing's end in 2006 continues on unabated.
On the other hand, at 30 chapters Harukaze Mound was actually the longest-running baseball manga in Jump since Mr. Fullswing's end in 2006. It ties 1981's Forever Shinji-kun in chapter length, but wasn't able to reach 1974's Honou no Giants' 56 or 1980's Bun no Seishun's 60, which were the next landmarks Harukaze Mound would have needed to reach, & at that point it actually could have technically been counted as a curse-breaker, as once you surpass a single year of serialization you're already within the 200 longest Shonen Jump manga of all time. So, who knows... maybe that old curse is finally weakening & the next Jump baseball (or the one after that) will finally become a "long-runner". |
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kgw
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Technically, there are already "Jump" baseball successful series… it's simply that they are released in Jump Plus: Oblivion Battery and Strike-out Pitch. Oh, and there are in Young Jump, too (Days of Diamond and Bungo) |
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Lord Geo
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That's why I specifically said "Shonen Jump" in the very first instance. Me just using "Jump" later on obviously meant that I was referring to "Shonen Jump", because I had established what definition I was using at the start. Let's not be all pedantic here. Jump+ isn't the physical weekly magazine & can be allowed more leniency for serializations (much like Monthly Jump was, & now Jump Square), and Young Jump is a completely different magazine in the first place. When people say simply "Jump" they are 99.9999999999999% of the time referring to Weekly Shonen Jump, but I still made sure to set that up in my post right at the start in an attempt to stave off people potentially going "Well, ackshually...", but it is what it is. |
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Wyvern
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Given that your thesis is that there's a perceived baseball curse in Jump, I don't think it's pedantic to point out that there's a currently-running baseball manga with 23 volumes and counting that's being published under the Jump brand. I think that's especially important because 1) people who buy compiled volumes generally don't care whether a series originated in the physical magazine or not, 2) Other Jump publications often get cross-promotion in Weekly Jump, so the publisher certainly encourages people to see all the various flavors of Jump as one big franchise without hard barriers between them, and and 3) Harukaze Mound would have had to compete with the more well-established Oblivion Battery for volume sales, and that very well may have been a factor in its cancellation. It's possible that the market can only sustain one Jump baseball manga right now, and that position has already been claimed. |
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EmeraldSaucer
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Not surprising, since despite what seemed like Jump editorial really pushing for it to be a major hit it only trended downward to the very bottom
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Lord Geo
Posts: 3009 Location: North Brunswick, New Jersey |
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That's why I specifically stated "Shonen Jump" right from the get-go, which naturally means the physical magazine. This is pedantry at its finest, simply put.
This doesn't match at all with kgw's argument, then, since Jump+ has TWO baseball manga running, while Young Jump also has two of its own, so your argument of "the market can only sustain one Jump baseball manga right now" falls apart really fast. The existence of titles over at Jump+ (or Young Jump) shouldn't really have any effect on what lives & dies over at Weekly Shonen Jump, because they're all separate publications with their own set of editorial staff, mangaka, publication brandings, serialization/sales expectations, etc. Jump+ & Jump Square have they're own labels, Jump Comics+ & Jump Comics SQ., that are not shared with the standard "Jump Comics" label precisely for that reason. Hell, neither of them even use the iconic Jump Pirate emblem that Jump Comics uses. Sure, they'll cross-promote between each other, but that's just synergy between publications. Shueisha isn't trying to actively pit the manga of the main weekly magazine against the manga over on the web magazine or the monthly magazine... they want people to read ALL of them, ideally! They likely would love to offer multiple baseball manga across all of the various "Jump" publications, but for whatever reason the main weekly magazine has had a long (modern) history of failure when it comes to baseball manga. And the only reason why I jokingly bring up a "curse" is because prior to Mr. Fullswing Weekly Shonen Jump (& I have to use the full name here, because otherwise people will find any opportunity to be pedantic) tended to have some sort of long-running baseball manga throughout its existence, whether that was Rookies (late 90s to early 00s), Pennant Race: Yamada Taichi no Kiseki (first half of the 90s), Ace! (early 90s; it was shorter than the others listed, but still ran for longer than anything since Fullswing), Kenritsu Umisora Koko Yakyu Buin Yamashita Taro-kun (second half of the 80s), etc. Hell, back in the 70s the magazine literally had multiple (literally, three & even four) long-running baseball being serialized at the same time for years on end until the end of the decade, each one offering something (mostly) different & unique from each other. The fact that Weekly Shonen Jump hasn't had even one last more than 30 chapters in nearly 20 whole years is just interesting to take notice of, especially in comparison to its past. |
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Top Gun
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Something I've wondered when seeing cancellation announcements like this: does the original manga artist(s) retain the basic rights to their work, or does the publisher hold onto those? I'd expect the latter, but I was wondering if there's been a scenario where the creators of a cancelled manga have gone on to continue it via self-publishing, or even as a free online version.
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Wyvern
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I think the creator and the publisher co-own the rights. It's not quite the same scenario as what you described, but after Shaman King was cancelled by Jump in 2004, the author eventually decided to create a sequel. Jump's publisher Shueisha wasn't interested, so they sold their half of the Shaman King rights to Kodansha, who published the sequel as well as doing their own reprint of the original manga. So I think the creator and publisher co-own the series, but the creator is able to lobby the publisher to sell its half of the rights under certain circumstances. |
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