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joel_s95387
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Viz Responds To FMA Edit in ICV2 article
I got this link from the AoD front page, pretty interesting that ANN was mentioned. I was glad to hear that VIZ claims that all their edits are made with consent of the author. |
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Abarenbo Shogun
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Did they read the thread itself, or did they just pull a CMX? I think the thread was 50/50 either for or against the edits. |
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Malintex Terek
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Why? Oh Great! gave CMX permission to edit his manga, but the idiot fans here in the West wouldn't have any of that. Those translation companies use leading questions to evoke unfair answers out of the manga-ka and then use those answers as justification for what they did. The manga-ka do not fully understand the implications of what is deemed acceptable in Japan in Western markets, so they wouldn't know about why Americans would object to a cross scene until a company like Viz tells them. Corporate ethics are severely lacking. However, I am pleased to learn that such a minor edit evoked a response from Viz. Perhaps the fans can derail their unchecked consumption of manga yet. |
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marie-antoinette
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I doubt that Viz is actually referring to the thread, really, just feedback they have received through more official channels. I don't read FMA but as far as edits go, this one I really don't care about. It doesn't really change anything and I can understand why the change was made (though at the same time, it's not like this is the the only manga to do such things...it happens all over the place in X/1999, which Viz also released). |
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Patachu
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Since icv2 actually refers to the post count, and was dialoguing with Viz, I would imagine that they are at least aware that the thread exists. But Viz's unsettling habit of totally avoiding online interaction (compared to TP, DH, Del Rey, Seven Seas, etc., who have folks that stop by forums regularly) suggests that they have been sticking their fingers in their ears and singing to themselves about it. Anyway, congratulations ANN, you also made Fandom Wank. |
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uberfrosch
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Viz's X is flipped and the sound effects are translated (as are the sound effects in every other Viz title I've read except Ceres) but are there any other visual edits in the series? Yes, I know there are a lot of questionable translation issues (harbingers vs angels, spoiler[Seishirou's last words], etc.) but actual visual edits...? But then, "harbingers" bothers me less than most people. In early volumes, as cryptic exposition is thrown around, I think it would be very easy for English readers to mistakenly associate "Dragons of Heaven" with "Angels" instead of "Seals". spoiler[And Seishirou's final words are difficult to translate literally and carry the appropriate connotations because of grammatical differences between English and Japanese.] I'm not exactly happy with Viz's solutions, but I don't see them as having made those decisions for fear of causing religious controversy. |
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marie-antoinette
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As far as I know, there was no editing done to the visually to X/1999, other than the obvious flipping and sound effects thing. It's not listed on Anime on DVDs list of edits either, so I really don't think that they have edited it. I suppose they figured the subject matter itself already dealt with enough controversial stuff that editing a crucifixion scene really would have no point at all.
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Animenut99
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I can't believe Anyone would actually except the fact that VIZ edited Any manga, it makes me so angry to think people could be so passive. If you're going to censor would part of FMA, you might as well censor all of it, and to think that the cross symbol which was removed from it was accept makes my head what to explode. Mostly because first of all, FMA has many elements in it which already resemble present day society, the fact that it so resembles to current middle east conflict today should be obivious to anyone. And to remove that one picture and say it's because of "American culture" is just a bogus claim. Let's just edit everything now, Let's take the cross off of Ed's back, replace it with a plus sign, oh! they also said that anyone who serves in the military dogs, we can't have that, take that out.. Anyone notice that the act of alchemy is also considered witchcraft? Not to mention the fact that it's got similar elements to wiccan culture? We can't have That, we can't have ANYTHING that will offend the "right wing" which currently has power, because if we do, then they'll take it away. Yeah, right, if you give them an inch, they will take a mile. Give Them Nothing. If I were viz, I'd take a hard look at what my roots were, do you wanna make a Buck, or do you want to actually put out good quality manga and not be a hypotric? Hmmm, seems like that's the way most people are going. But just remember, take out one thing, you might as well take out everything, and what are you left with now? Not Full Metal Alchemist.
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skaly
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Here is a link to an article in which there is more cross-related censorship. Not anime-related, but still relevant.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_en_tv/tv_madonna_crucifixion;_ylt=Aq87afRVINcPeDhjgipF5WtxFb8C;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ-- In light of recent events, I don't think I can come down too hard on Viz or NBC. If you gotta be angry at someone, be angry at the people who lash out whenever you say something they deem "inappropriate" or "offensive" or "sacriligeous." |
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jgreen
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Huh....I was watching Keith Olbermann on MSNBC the other day and he showed footage of Madonna on the cross from her show. *shrugs*
Of course, he was doing it in service of a joke....the guy who she just bought--er, "adopted" her new baby from said he didn't know who Madonna was, only that she was "a good Christian woman" so Olbermann juxtaposed that with the footage of her on the cross. It was pretty funny. |
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MorwenLaicoriel
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Oh, it's not just Madonna. NBC also took all references to God out of their broadcasts of the show Veggie Tales. Yes, appearantly "Remember kids, God cares for you, and He loves you very much" ruffles the feathers of the athiest soccer moms.
Actually, I remember a lot of people were actually saying that if they censored it from Veggie Tales, then Madonna should be censored, too. I guess NBC caved in one way or the other. |
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Wolverine Princess
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Woah, now that's a paradox if I've ever heard one. I think my brain just exploded. |
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MorwenLaicoriel
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The Christian ones aren't complaining about it, but obviously NBC thinks *someone* would be upset. And, actually, my point was that Christians aren't the only ones to get their knickers in a bunch over religious references. |
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AlexZello
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What do you think of Obadiah Shoher's views on the Middle East conflict? One can argue, of course, that Shoher is ultra-right, but his followers are far from being a marginal group. Also, he rejects Jewish moralistic reasoning - that's alone is highly unusual for the Israeli right. And he is very influential here in Israel. So what do you think? uh, here's the site in question: Middle East conflict
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stuckinfresno
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I'm surprised that Viz claims that the edits are done with permission from the creator. Although I can understand the concerns that come along with it. We don't how they get consent.
As for the FMA edit, it isn't that bad as far as edits are concerned. I don't know why this was the edit chosen. The famous Descendants of Darkness edit in vol 4 was more serious than this one. (For those who don't know and wish to know: spoiler[Vol 4 was edited to remove a male/male sex scene. They cut the head off a character.]) Plus there is also the famous renaming of Lee's drunken fist in Naruto (both anime and manga). If you want a really dumb edit, they removed the word condoms from the original Yu-Gi-Oh arc in the second edition. Only first editions were unedited. There are more out there. While most edits seem quite stupid and inconsequential they were apparently important to someone. Yes, it sucks when you know that your favorites have been altered but does that really ruin the manga that much? I love FMA with it's alterations and bad editing. As long as they don't change the storyline, which sort of happened with Descendants, minor editing isn't so bad. As for not accepting any edits - yes in a perfect world. But would I not want them to publish my favorites in English because of it - no. America thrives on a polictially correct culture (which isn't just right wing) and minor editing is something I may have to accept. Again not perfect, but unless someone plans to write a letter or start a petition all it is angry ranting. |
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