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Sewingrose



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:20 pm Reply with quote
Ooh, that got a stronger reaction then I was expecting. I get what your guys are saying, and that is the problem I found I had with the Fan Film when I actually like stuff like a few of the abridged series.

One it isn't a parody of any kind, it's a straight up (well the best they can pull off) adaption. That's copy-right infringement right there.
And the second, you're just asking for money. Not selling over-priced T-shirts which has an original image on it for fans to support you, you're asking me for money and the only thing I'm going to get back is watching you try to act in the movie.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:33 pm Reply with quote
Zac:

"One creature, caught. Caught in a place he cannot stir from in the dark. Alone. Outnumbered hundreds to one. Nothing to live for but his memories. Nothing to life *with* but his gadgets, his cars, his guns, his gimmicks...and yet the whole Family can't bring him out of that...that..."

"Honky paradise, brother?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YNYtbU7eJ4


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FH14



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:46 pm Reply with quote
In the time since this podcast was recorded, Alice in the Country of Hearts was relicensed by Yen Press, and the Tokyopop facebook has said that the licenses are "insanely difficult to get back."

As a huge fan of Hetalia I'm sincerely hoping that they won't be able to get their hands back on it and another publisher picks it up, because lately it feels like Levy and co have just been baiting the fandom for months. Its an extremely lucrative title and I'm sure that it and other properties that sold really well have a lot of publishers who would jump at the chance to license them (and who haven't screwed over the original Japanese publisher by shutting down, now seemingly for no reason if they're just going to jump back in months later). I can only see this be a good thing for some of the lower selling titles that other publishers may not have any interest in licensing. Tokyopop might just get those because its better than not having it licensed at all.

Sorry if that wasn't entirely coherent, It's almost 1AM.
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Charred Knight



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:07 am Reply with quote
Robert Zemeckis is a good example of a great Live Action Director who should stop making animation films as his films tend to just look creepy.

Starship Troopers is hilarious, the scene where the guy says, "We are going in the first wave, means more bugs for us to kill" than it's followed by 10 minutes of the humans getting slaughtered because they have no intelligence or strategy.

Honestly its kind of mind boggling that people respect these fan films more than most creators. "Hey look I created a 5 minute Street Fighter film" and this is followed by people saying that this person is a great director. In my experience these people don't take criticism well with them basically saying that people who criticize are just jealous, and they generally think that they are great creators.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:20 am Reply with quote
FH14 wrote:
In the time since this podcast was recorded, Alice in the Country of Hearts was relicensed by Yen Press, and the Tokyopop facebook has said that the licenses are "insanely difficult to get back."

As a huge fan of Hetalia I'm sincerely hoping that they won't be able to get their hands back on it and another publisher picks it up, because lately it feels like Levy and co have just been baiting the fandom for months. Its an extremely lucrative title and I'm sure that it and other properties that sold really well have a lot of publishers who would jump at the chance to license them (and who haven't screwed over the original Japanese publisher by shutting down, now seemingly for no reason if they're just going to jump back in months later). I can only see this be a good thing for some of the lower selling titles that other publishers may not have any interest in licensing. Tokyopop might just get those because its better than not having it licensed at all.

Sorry if that wasn't entirely coherent, It's almost 1AM.


Also seven seas got the sequel series to alice in the....

Justin drop [C] trust me you will be thankful for not wasting your time on it. I only finished the series to try and turn it into debate team argument about capitalism..... the charcters make you think they are a LOT! deeper then they actually are, the series a some points actually makes good about humanity and risk taking but... it makes little and uninsightful ideas about capitalism, it ends up completely forgetting any point it does, the pacing is ATROCIOUS, I normally do not comment on pacing that much but it is easily the worst noitamina show I have ever seen. I still like fractal and I still dread editing the actual video into a 4 minute section after taking notes on what scenes I would need and the time codes for it! AVOID C AT ALL COST!!

I saw the trailer for sailor moon, yes it looks bad, but I am sorry you guys are being a bit harsh. yes what you guys said is true, but you could have been a lot nicer about it. I am an actor, and I like adapting scripts to plays, and even writing and working on my own mystery series (that I hope to someday get an artist draw for me, and submit as a one shot to yen press).yes I understand copyright, and your point completely, and yes it is a huge fraud liability thing I think. but I don't think that their intent (however misplaced) is to provide a fun little thing for people who call themselves fans of the show, and to also act out (and thus become) their favorite characters for a bit. also I am sure they also do it because it is fun for them. I would like to see where this money is going, and no I will not be giving them any money, but I doubt that any harm will come of it, if they really want to get into real acting or directing, or screenwriting I am sure they will. if this is all they really want to do, then I fail to see the actual harm to letting people who want to give them $5 to do, to actually do it. I do agree though that then you should try and support the actual arts then as well, and not just pet projects you like.


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Big Hed



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:21 am Reply with quote
Great hearing the good word about 50/50! I'm really looking forward to watching that (and Moneyball, and Drive). Totally agree about Joseph Gordon-Levitt performances, too.

On RahXephon: that's a show I feel I should go back and rewatch, myself. It really made my head spin at times.
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Dr. Osaka



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:49 am Reply with quote
What happened in this episode? Besides Zac laughing after everything he said.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:58 am Reply with quote
Dr. Osaka wrote:
What happened in this episode? Besides Zac laughing after everything he said.


It gave you something to hate for an hour. So there's that.
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ljaesch



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:05 am Reply with quote
As always, a good podcast. Smile After having a rather frustrating week, it was nice to be able to listen to the show while trying to catch up on New York Comic Con coverage here at ANN (I was gone for a lot of the late afternoon and early evening taking kids to doctor's appointments and running errands). It's amazing how much news can break during a convention while you have to be away from home. Razz

Admittedly, I've only really gotten into manga in recent months, so I don't feel the vitriol toward Stu Levy and Tokyopop as others here have. However, like Deb and Zac, I do question motives and timing, especially since there's nothing that they concretely report on. Also, it really makes no sense that roughly four months after they completely shut down their U.S. manga publishing business, they're now turning around and claiming they're trying to get back into the business again. Like Zac, I wish them luck, but I'm not entirely convinced that it's going to work out in the long run.

I haven't seen the Sailor Moon fan film thing that was mentioned here, but from what's being described, the person or people behind it are profiting off of someone's else copyrighted material by doing the panhandling, so it's a clear case of copyright infringement. I agree with Zac that something like this will not help any aspiring filmmaker with their resume.

My older daughter likes visiting fan fiction sites, and has talked of wanting to write fan fiction. My husband and I have both stressed to her that we don't mind if she writes the fan fiction for her own personal enjoyment, but we do NOT want her posting it on the Internet. She has talked of wanting to be a writer when she's older, and we have emphasized to her that it's better to not have her name publicly associated with fan fiction if she wants to be taken seriously as a writer. To me, these "fan films" like the Sailor Moon one fall into the same category as the fan fiction; avoid having your name publicly associated with them if you want to become serious in writing or in films.
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Sewingrose



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:14 am Reply with quote
ljaesch wrote:

My older daughter likes visiting fan fiction sites, and has talked of wanting to write fan fiction. My husband and I have both stressed to her that we don't mind if she writes the fan fiction for her own personal enjoyment, but we do NOT want her posting it on the Internet. She has talked of wanting to be a writer when she's older, and we have emphasized to her that it's better to not have her name publicly associated with fan fiction if she wants to be taken seriously as a writer.


You don't have to have your real name associated with fanfic, in fact most don't. Most people use pen names, and keep their real names completely separate from that life entirely. And then there are people like Cassandra Clare who where big in the Harry Potter fandom before she went on to publish her own young adult books.
Not trying to tell you how to parent or anything like that, just throwing that out there. And it's nice to see parents who actually are aware of the dangers of their kids posting stupid stuff online.
I'm mildly involved in the fanfiction/fandom myself scene but I take care to scrub and omit any information about my real name or life from those accounts.
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Aeriven



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:30 am Reply with quote
LOL, I'm sorry I have an odd username (it's the name of my first D&D character and one of my go-to names when I play MMOs), but thanks a ton for answering my question. I'm just starting to seek out "so bad it's funny" movies for myself since I previewed Doomsday for the bad movie night gathering my husband sometimes goes to with friends and thought it was hilarious (Thanks for recommending that, by the way, Zac).

I'm new to MST3K and have mostly enjoyed what I've seen so far, so I will definitely go after the ones Zac named. Sad to say, I did see Manos after multiple websites named it as their personal favorite MST3K, and holy crap, that was horrendous! The commentary was pretty good on that one, but wasn't quite enough to make me ever want to watch it again. The idea of watching that without the MST3K guys is just... no. I'd have to say my favorite so far is Devil Fish.

Also, you guys forgot to name some "so bad it's funny" anime! I know the majors, like Garzey's Wing, Violence Jack, and Mad Bull 34, but I was wondering if there were any other well-known ones that just haven't reached my ears.

Anyway, still listening to the podcast, but just wanted to come in and say thanks. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:31 am Reply with quote
I'm actually a former fanfic writer myself; I wrote some Jem fanfic back in the late 1990s/very early 2000s. Yes, it was posted on the Internet, but never at a site like fanfic.net. It was first posted at the website for the TRULY OUTRAGEOUS! Mailing List(which I founded and maintain), back when I was hosting fanfic there. About ten or so years ago, I decided to quit hosting the fanfic there, because I didn't have the time to maintain the archive. I turned over the maintenance of the fanfic to someone else in the fandom.

After that, I did briefly have the fanfic up on my personal website for maybe a year or two. About eight or nine years ago, I decided I wanted to work at becoming a serious writer and to disassociate myself from the fan fiction. I pulled all of my fanfic off of my personal website; just did a Google search, and I'm not turning up any copies of it, so as far as I can tell, no one can find it now.

So when I tell my daughter that I don't want her posting fanfic on the Internet, I'm speaking from personal experience. Instead, we have her focus on things like the youth version of NaNoWriMo that takes place in November at the same time as the regular NaNoWriMo.

Sewingrose wrote:
You don't have to have your real name associated with fanfic, in fact most don't. Most people use pen names, and keep their real names completely separate from that life entirely. And then there are people like Cassandra Clare who where big in the Harry Potter fandom before she went on to publish her own young adult books. Not trying to tell you how to parent or anything like that, just throwing that out there. And it's nice to see parents who actually are aware of the dangers of their kids posting stupid stuff online. I'm mildly involved in the fanfiction/fandom myself scene but I take care to scrub and omit any information about my real name or life from those accounts.
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FH14



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:18 am Reply with quote
ljaesch wrote:
I'm actually a former fanfic writer myself; I wrote some Jem fanfic back in the late 1990s/very early 2000s. Yes, it was posted on the Internet, but never at a site like fanfic.net. It was first posted at the website for the TRULY OUTRAGEOUS! Mailing List(which I founded and maintain), back when I was hosting fanfic there. About ten or so years ago, I decided to quit hosting the fanfic there, because I didn't have the time to maintain the archive. I turned over the maintenance of the fanfic to someone else in the fandom.

After that, I did briefly have the fanfic up on my personal website for maybe a year or two. About eight or nine years ago, I decided I wanted to work at becoming a serious writer and to disassociate myself from the fan fiction. I pulled all of my fanfic off of my personal website; just did a Google search, and I'm not turning up any copies of it, so as far as I can tell, no one can find it now.

So when I tell my daughter that I don't want her posting fanfic on the Internet, I'm speaking from personal experience. Instead, we have her focus on things like the youth version of NaNoWriMo that takes place in November at the same time as the regular NaNoWriMo.


I think you missed the point that Sewingrose was making though. Most people do not post fanfiction under their real names and prefer to use userhandles instead. Say your daughter's name is "Jane Smith". If she posts fanfiction under the name "AnimeFan1234" I doubt anyone would be able to find that on the internet by searching her name unless she listed under her facebook profile information or something. I know that if I ever decided to enter a field that involved writing no one would find my fanfiction because absolutely none of it is associated with my real name. Not saying that she needs to write fanfiction but I don't really see much harm in it if she's smart about where she puts it and isn't writing something pornographic. Seconding the "And it's nice to see parents who actually are aware of the dangers of their kids posting stupid stuff online" sentiment btw.

I tend to write fanficton myself because I find it good practice. I don't have to go through the pains of establishing a whole new set of characters and build a new world and instead I can focus on just practicing my writing skills with an established universe. I could a crap if I get a ton of reviews but I love constructive criticism and actually appreciate the ones that tear me apart because then I can strive to improve as a writer based on that. And this has absolutely no bearing on my point but I thought I'd throw out there that NaNoWriMo allows fanfiction and metafiction. Not saying she should do that - if she wants to write an original work all the power to her.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:29 am Reply with quote
Charred Knight wrote:
Honestly its kind of mind boggling that people respect these fan films more than most creators. "Hey look I created a 5 minute Street Fighter film" and this is followed by people saying that this person is a great director. In my experience these people don't take criticism well with them basically saying that people who criticize are just jealous, and they generally think that they are great creators.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here, but there are definitely some "fan films" that do merit the respect that they get. The somewhat-recent Portal fan film still impresses me when I rewatch it.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:05 am Reply with quote
Awesome Zac, Big trouble in Little China is far and away my favourite action/comedy movie as well. Possibly one of my favourite moves of all time. Just something about it, Like when the three storm guys appear for the first time. Their weapons getting more and more crazy with each guy, ending on that dude that just has propellers spinning on his palms. That gets me every time. I think it is a perfect "movie" it has some bad acting in it and such. But as an awesome action movie just to put on and visit for the run time is amazing. Something about those special effects is just magic.

I also just saw the thing recently and don't care much to see the new one. Plus can anything really match Kurt Russel with that manly-ass beard?
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