Forum - View topicDifferences between the doujinshi and fanzine terms
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Sarki-Kun
 Posts: 594 Location: Spain |
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Okay, I know this will sound really stupid for experienced users into manga, but...What are exactly their differences?
As far as I've understood reading the Lexicon (yes, I know that does exist), mainly Fanzines are stories written and drawn by a novel artist, which just come from their imagination, I mean, their stories have nothing to do with others. And doujinshi could be stories made by fans of a bigger manga, originally made by a professional mangaka. They have a short relation with the previous story (I mean, as the character that do appear, etc.). Is it that way? And...Can I ask a few questions? What if the original mangaka doesn't like a doujinshi of one of his/her things? Isn't he/she supposed to have ALL the rights of making new stories of it? So, even more, do exist some "illegal" doujinshi's? I'm confused with this point... The last one. Which is the bigger market, the fanzine or the doujinshi one? |
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littlegreenwolf
 Posts: 4796 Location: Seattle, WA |
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I'm not sure on the exact difference, if there is one. I've always thought of doujinshi as fanzines. Doujinshi can be based on both licensed and unlicensed material.
<i>What if the original mangaka doesn't like a doujinshi of one of his/her things? Isn't he/she supposed to have ALL the rights of making new stories of it? So, even more, do exist some "illegal" doujinshi's? I'm confused with this point...</i> The Japanese seem to turn a blind eye to doujinshi, or there's some loophole in their rights or something. Anyway, the manga-ka has no control over any doujinshi produced using their characters. And unlike creators hear in America, it seems to be my inpression that manga-ka take doujinshi of their work as compliments. *Shrugs* Not too keen on Japanese rights here. |
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Sarki-Kun
Posts: 594 Location: Spain |
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Huh? So the mangakas are bothered about the doujinshis? So, what if I make one of any serie, and kill every character or just draw things which the original author wouldn't like? Even more, what if I license it? As I've already wrote, yes, I'm confused, hehe
P.D: (OT) I know, it's not really necessary to write this, but anyway, congratulations for your 2000 posts ^^. Hope this won't damage ANN Manga forum 
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Emerje
 Posts: 7548 Location: Maine |
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The major difference is that a fanzine doesn't necessarily have to have comics in them. A fanzine is a "fan created magazine" and just like any other magazine they consist of things like news, articles, columns, editorials, reviews and whatnot. They may include original stories and comics, but don't have to.
Doujinshi are always comics (though they may include short stories) that are fan made and sold. A blind eye is often turned due to them having little effect on the profits coming from licensed stories (the Japanese take a far more casual approach to fan creations) and the doujin writers make little to no profit from them. There's actually an extremely popular convention that takes place every year in Japan where doujin makers gather to sell their books to hordes of eager fans. Emerje |
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littlegreenwolf
Posts: 4796 Location: Seattle, WA |
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Not always. Artbooks count as doujinshi as well. Example: Naoko Takeuchi's Sailor Moon Infinity, and several of Yoshitoshi ABe's artbooks. |
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Sarki-Kun
Posts: 594 Location: Spain |
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Well, let's just consider that doujinshi always include drawn pictures on them.
Just, a few more things. How much popular are both things in Japan? I mean, there's more fanzine than doujinshi, more doujinshi than "professional" mangas, or what? By the way, what does appear in Comic Party is real? Because i believe the're too much different fanzine conventions on it... I was really kind of wrong 
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littlegreenwolf
Posts: 4796 Location: Seattle, WA |
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I've never seen comic party, so maybe you could tell me what you're wondering about? Japan does have very large conventions for doujinshi, and I think they're seasonal. |
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bnewhall
 Posts: 110 Location: USA |
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(Comic Party follows a young doujinshi artist who begins selling his work at big manga conventions. The first episode shows the character attending Comiket (though they call it something else), in which there are tens of thousands of attendees and many hundreds of manga artists.)
Yes, this is accurate. Comiket gets tens of thousands of attendees and hundreds of manga-ka. Practically anyone who's anyone in the manga or anime industry goes to Comiket. It's massive. I don't know which is "bigger" (pro manga, doujinshi, or fanzines); note that they are released in different ways. Should each series in Shonen Jump be counted as a separate manga release? What about the gag strips that show up in various newspapers? At some point, comparisons become meaningless. They're all popular. |
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Sarki-Kun
Posts: 594 Location: Spain |
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Well, Comic Party follows a young fanzine artist, not a doujinshi. Have you heard it dubbed or in original japanese?
Well, let's see. I can't really explain a lot about it, because it's aired once a week. Yes, just one chapter every thursday. So I do not remember everything at it's correct point. And also, I have kind problems with the TV for changing the languages, so I can't hear Comic Party different from the default language (which obviously, it's not japanese). However, thanks for the comiket information. I thought it would be really a huge event in Japan, since it's made at that famous building which I forgot it's name, but it does appear in many animes...But, the problem is that after it, a few weeks later, another fanzine convention takes place (at the same city). It's more like there's a fanzine convention every month or every two months... Is it really that way? -_- |
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littlegreenwolf
Posts: 4796 Location: Seattle, WA |
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It appears so. My favourite doujin circle lists the conventions they go to, and the dates, and it seems at least in summer to fall there's a different convention every couple of weeks. |
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The Spatula
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Actually, I was under the impression that Kazuki's first work in the original Comic Party anime was an original doujinshi, not a fanzine since he was developing original characters and an original storyline.
Of course, this assumes the following definitions: Doujinshi = Fan made comics Fanzine = Fan created magazine I think this seems like a reasonable way to account for these terms, and it fits into my current understanding of their usage; however, it is easy enough to find places where the distinction between the two terms isn't so clear cut. For example, in Dreamland Japan, by Schodt, we have the following passage (pp. 37-38):
So, as you can see, the terms are not always so simply defined. Ah, the fickleness of words... |
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littlegreenwolf
Posts: 4796 Location: Seattle, WA |
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Maybe this will help clear stuff up:
This is Japanese for doujinshi: 同人誌, or at least that's what I use to search for doujinshi. Aparently when translated into english, it becomes Coterie magazine, or member magazine. Sounds like another name to fan magazine to me. Also, pretty much all my doujinshi have in english the label of "fan book". So, after thinking about this stuff, prehaps the Japanese consider doujinshi and fan magazines the same thing? |
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Neuroretardant
Posts: 16 Location: Canada |
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This is something I wrote for a certain fan translation of a certain title (don't worry I won't put any links up)...
同人 Doujin -> lit. "fraternity", "gathering of like-minded peoples" 誌 Shi -> lit. "paper"/"magazine" 同人誌 Dojinshi -> an independently (self-)published piece of work created by people sharing a common interest in some certain topic. So "doujin" is essentially any sort of creative work that is unofficial/non-commercial that individuals (not coporations) publish. It can be in the form of not just manga, but also novels, music, games, CG sets, etc. A doujinshi would be essentially the same thing (in my view) as a fanzine, except that it doesn't necessarily have to be by fans: artists like Ken Akamatsu and Joji Manabe have been known to put out doujinshi of their own work. [edit] Also, note that a doujinshi can cover any sort of topic, it does not have to be derived from or based on an existing commercial title. It's just that 99.9% of the doujinshi that are created/we are exposed to tend to fall into that category. |
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Sarki-Kun
Posts: 594 Location: Spain |
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I see. Neuroretardant's explanation helped a lot
. But, actually, as littlegreenwolf said, fanzine and doujinshi are the same thing? Because, unless they're the same thing but in different languages (fanzine-> english, doujinshi-> japanese), I don't find any other good explanation.
P.S: Well, I always thought that Kazuki (Comic Party) was making a fanzine, since it's the word mentioned at the anime and that does appear at the encyclopedia. Gotta look to the official website... P.S2: In fact, if fanzine and doujinshi were to same thing, Kazuki would have done both... |
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Dejiko
 Posts: 276 Location: Holland (between Great Britain and Germany) |
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*Missed this thread the first time around*
From what I've gathered over the years, the word 'fanzine' refers strictly to magazine-like publications. As mentioned before, doujinshi products cover a wide spectrum of products, among them self-published comics, games, movies, stationary and yes... magazines. The word 'fanzine' is not used in Japan, but a few doujinshi manga proclaim themselves a 'fanbook', i.e. 'FFVII only fanbook'. If you were to put out a fanzine (magazine covering a specific subject) in Japan, it would qualify as a doujinshi publication, but that doesn't mean that all doujin products are fanzines 
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