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Savage Rite
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Seems you have to watch ten turds to see a gem, and anime is no exception.
I cut my anime teeth on great series like Bleach, Deathnote, and Code Geass, so maybe my bias is way up on the pretentious scale. What I'm getting at is this, why is it that a anime series starts so good, great solid storyline, good plot devices, a real dialogue that allows the viewer to connect with the characters, excellent character growth and then right near the end, the writer(s)/producer(s), whoever, throws a stupid D ranked plot twist in to really put a bad taste in the viewers mouth? And why do so many people rank these freak show's with such high praise and ratings? You may be asking in which turds I'm making reference to so I'll give you the skinny. I'm talking series like "Orphen", "Vampire Knight" just to name a couple. Yeah I know, right now I'm getting a ton of boos from the peanut gallery on my two examples, but the facts are the facts. These two started out strong and then completely burned out in the end. So bad in fact my disgust overruled my OCD desire to finish the series if that will tell you anything. So boy's and girls, I'm looking for an answer that maybe someone out that can give me. Come on and shed some light on it for me. What purpose does it serve to deviate from your own intellectual brilliance to something that resembles a car wreck...and yeah the one kind you can look away from. |
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damien007
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Wow, you say that you can't stand shows that start off strong and then suddenly becoming horrid with plots that continually degrade, and yet you say you started watching with great shows like bleach... Now I'm not saying I hate the show but I would think that bleach would be the #1 example of the scenario you mentioned. I think that just shows you how subjective plots turns are. I personally also thought Death note was another fine example of this. I loved, let me repeat LOVED the first half of death note but it was all downhill from there. All the stuff with the corrupt company was bearable but after the spoiler[death of L] the show just lost that magic something.
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jl07045
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No, see, there's your problem. Those are not facts, those are opinions. You can invoke Sturgeon's Law of course, but there's not much sense in such a generalization. There will simply be a lot of disagreement. On the issue of why many shows (not necessarily those you mentioned) fall apart toward the end, the reasons can of course be multiple. The shows get extended beyond their natural ending, there are second seasons made that are just cash-ins, the screenwriters think up a great premise but it does not work in the long run and probably many other reasons. |
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Sanosuke_Inara
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And I'd take Code Geass R1 over R2 any day of the week, even though I'neither are necessarily all that great. But I'm one of those people that loved Death Note(which I've still yet to buy; -_-) all the way through; I honestly don't think it really lost much of its steam. And this is coming from someone who's favorite character spoiler[was L]. One show that I thought this was the case for for me was Canaan. When I initially watched it, I loved it in the beginning but felt as though near the end, it started getting pretty lackluster(despite the ending itself being pretty good). When it came on ANoD, though, in rewatching it the middle+some of the end wasn't nearly as weak as I initially remember it being. I decided I am gonna get the BD down the road, if that's saying anything. |
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Soundmonkey44
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All forms of media are subjective to ones own preferances & bias. That is all I have to say.
But overall it goes back to that whole 90% of everything is crap rule, lol. 
Well that and many of us get more fickle about what we watch as we get older, there is indeed alot of crud in modern anime, but heck, theres a decent amount of "bad shows" in every televised medium/genre these days. I blame the 90's for spoiling me.
EDIT: I find the increasing hate for the old big 3 (Bleach, Naruto, One Piece) increasingly disturbing. But I'm probably just paranoid. Personally I still love Bleach, but to each their own, everyone is entitled to like & dislike whatever they please. |
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TheSwedishElf
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Yeah, I'd love to know what all the sudden hatred of One Piece is about. It's still the best and most unique shonen series, it's still enjoyable and has fresh new ideas regularly, and now all of a sudden, its own fans are going "ZOMG ONE PIECE IS SUCH SHIT JUST LIKE NARUTO AND BLEACH AND EVERY OTHER SHONEN SHOW LIKE IT I WISH IT WOULD JUST DIE".
Same here. I think many people who lost interest or stopped watching after that were only there for spoiler[L] in the first place and/or haven't got the patience for psychological thrillers or crime dramas. |
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damien007
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Hay now guys I still loved Death note and regularly stay up to date with One piece and bleach, i even prefer naruto shippuden to the original series. I'm just saying that there no denying some of these series lost steam as they went on, primarily bleach and death note. My favourite part of death note was the section early on with Light and the female cop and he is trying to get her to give him her name. I don't feel any other part of the series managed to capture the tension, suspense and immensely satisfying mind games accumulated in that episode. Similarly bleach has become sooooo different as it progressed and somewhere along the line forgot its sense of humour.
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Soundmonkey44
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@ Swedish: Yeah people these days always seem to overly bash or overly praise long running shonen. Heck, I'll be honest I'm not an One Piece fan at all (hate most of its fanbase) But I don't see point in going around bashing it jsut becauase its not my cup of tea, same thing for people who overly bash Bleach, Naruto, or any other long running shonen series.
@Damian: True, pretty much all long running series "lose steam" as they go on, heck Simpsons hasn't been funny in YEARS, does'nt mean it can't still be enjoyable to watch from time to time, lol. But yeah back to the main topic... I think the creator of this topic is falling into that "my opinion is fact" trap we all fall in to ever so often. But yeah I find it easier to enjoy anime when u treat it like a rollercoaster, just enjoy the ride, and then when its over, if it wasn't satisfying...never ride it again.
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Key
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No, a lot of us just hated Near and Mello and found the former in particular to be spoiler[a pale, mostly personality-free carbon copy of the character he's replacing]. As someone who previews every series every season, my experience has generally been that about 25% of the series in a given season show at least initial signs of quality and the rest are split about evenly between mediocre (a 2.5-3.5 score out of 5) and crap (a 2 or less out of 5). Of the ones that initially look good, about half typically prove good enough over the long haul to stand the test of time, while at least a couple of the initially mediocre series typically pick up into that range, too. Now, keep in mind that I distinguish between "quality" and "entertainment value" when grading series, so mediocre series can still be entertaining even if I don't consider them good. |
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Sanosuke_Inara
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For the record, I don't watch any long-running shounen these days; haven't in long while, really. Years ago, back when I was a newbie anime fan, I was really into that stuff, but when I delved deeper into anime and became aware of the shitload(hundreds upon hundreds) of anime out there far superior to them(mixed with them dropping off in enjoyment), I grew apart. And I'm glad I did, tbh.
The lastest long shounen (50+ eps) that I can honestly say I enjoyed was Kekkaishi, and that wasn't even that long. Aside from that, they basically just fail to grab my interest these days(Fairy Tail being a prime of example of one I tried and had practically 0 interest in afterward). But whatever. |
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Soundmonkey44
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And thats is perfectly fine. 
Personally I'm the opposite, I love animation, i truly do, but as I get older my interest in anime overall dwindles, I'm not really an "Otaku" perse, so lots of the modern tropes & cliches commonly used to pander to that demographic really do nothing for me, I end up sticking to afew long running anime/manga i really enjoy. Or the more "arthouse" type stuff like Five Leaves or Tatami. (sad that Funi won't be giving those 2 physical releases, as of yet anywho, darn my love of "Borning" shows.) |
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Sanosuke_Inara
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The stuff I buy is just the stuff that interests me; be it a year or two old over a decade old, doesn't really make a difference. |
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TheSwedishElf
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I don't quite care for them either, but it certainly didn't make me stop watching or start thinking the show was losing steam. |
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Soundmonkey44
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Whoops, my bad didn't meant to sound like i was accusing you of anything. And yeah I kind of generalized myself as well, I do have niche series I like, and in small/moderate doses, I enjoy some of the cutsy moe & loli stuff, but yeah the rampit amount of it in modern anime, just like the rampit amount of ecchi...it..well it gets kind of annoying. Also yeah I can agree with those who found Mello annoying In Death note, I could'nt stand the kid. (He was the one that ate chocloate bars all the time right?) |
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TheSwedishElf
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Yes, Mello's the tall, thin, seemingly bipolar one with girly orange hair and a chocolate addiction, Near is the short, fat autistic one with white hair who's always seen playing with toys.
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