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JETBLACK87



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:21 pm Reply with quote
:evil: Who besides me thinks that remaking an anime into a live action film is the worst idea you ever heard? there fine the way they are. the only thing they can do is make them worse.
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Case



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:24 pm Reply with quote
You're thinking of the live-action DBZ movie that was recently announced, aren't you. 8)


I personally have to agree with John Oppliger's thoughts on the subject. I think that with all of the neat technology Hollywood has in its arsenal today, they have to potential to create some absolutely spectacular live-action adaptations.

Just look at the upcoming Spider Man movie: FOX is able to beautifully blend the live-action and computer animation to create a truly ground-breaking adaptation of the popular comic book/cartoon series. It doesn't look cheesy at all (if not downright spiffy), and people are going wild over it.

The only real question, as John mentions in his article, is if the producers are willing to put enough effort into the movie to make it look that good. Because DBZ is watched mainly by young kids, they will inevitably have to tone down the violence level, and thus remove a celebrated part of the DBZ series. And to some extent, the producers could just be lazy and create a cheap product so they can cash in on it as quickly as possible. And yes, that does slightly irritate me.

However, that does not make me believe that live-action adaptations are inherently evil. If the creators were willing to put enough effort into it, I believe that they could create a truly memorable product.

All we can do is cross our fingers and hope they don't choose the slacker's path. Mad
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:14 pm Reply with quote
JETBLACK87 wrote:

:evil: Who besides me thinks that remaking an anime into a live action film is the worst idea you ever heard? there fine the way they are. the only thing they can do is make them worse.


I ABSOLUTLEY AGREE!!
I have been waiting for someone to bring this up, and I think all Hollywood film features can do to anime is harm. I can think of a few reasons why

1. As I've said in other posts, I'm not a fan blanket statements, but generally, all live action movies tend to go with the fads. Most films we see in the states are made to appease whatever is popular at that time. Live action anime films are, for the most part, going to be subjected to this scrutiny.

2. Live action and animation are two totally different mediums. Transfering what may be in one to the other requires a degree of effect translation that will result in the removal of scenes (to quote Shinchiro Wanatabe, "If you want a fish eye lens in live action, pop on the lens. If you want the same in animation, you need to have EVERY part of that scene DRAWN that way)

3. Live action movies are typically 2-3 hours. Speaking from a series point of view, to condense a series to that length is futile.

4. ANIME IS FINE THE WAY IT IS.
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Ataru



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 7:07 am Reply with quote
Hagakure wrote:

JETBLACK87 wrote:

Evil or Very Mad Who besides me thinks that remaking an anime into a live action film is the worst idea you ever heard? there fine the way they are. the only thing they can do is make them worse.


I ABSOLUTLEY AGREE!!
I have been waiting for someone to bring this up, and I think all Hollywood film features can do to anime is harm.

Okay, am I the only one that really see no probelm with Hollywood making live action anime movies Given that it was bound to happen, I'm not shocked or scared. Who knows, DBZ can be the next Batman/Superman or Street Fighter/Mario. We won't know for sure until it comes out in thearters.
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Gai Super Napalm



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 2:39 pm Reply with quote
Imagine this.

Akira is meticulously and carefully reproduced in utmost detail to create the same feel of neo tokyo and of the biker gangs that was in the Anime film. Unknowns are used to act for the parts so that none of the characters seem like an actor instead of a character. High budget special effects are used to make the laser scenes and high all of the camera angles remain in tact.

True; it wont happen, but if someone who loved it that much that they wanted to simply recreate it or even re-enact it in another medium got a hold of the project.. I think it would be awesome. I personaly would like to see what square or pixar could do in terms of re-animating the origional with life-like CG.
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Tetsujin



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:08 pm Reply with quote
There are two problems I see with anime-to-live-action movies:
  • The choice of anime to be the basis for the live action movie;
  • The translation of anime presentation techniques to the cinema screen.


The first problem is the same one which has afflicted sci-fi novels for decades. People were clamoring for The Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy to be made into a movie, yet it was extremely difficult for a movie to be made which remained true to the novel. From what I can tell, the movie was worth the long wait to get the production right.

Paranoia Agent looks to me like a good anime-to-live-action candidate. Special effects would be minimal, scenes would be character driven, and it could be brought to the big screen relatively quickly with a quality cast and screenplay. As much as I want to see this one hit the big screen as a live-action movie, I have to give two thumbs down for InuYasha because the leap would cause ImuYasha tp undergo too many changes. Cowboy Bebop could be a good live action movie if the special effects budget is on the mark, but a movie like this could go either way.

The second problem is enough to make or break a live action movie. For anime which feature numerous effects, such as the slow-motion human jumps with motion lines in the background, I'm not sure how well those techniques would translate to a live-action movie. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I am saying it may not be worth the bother if it doesn't look good on a movie screen with live actors. My experience with anime is limited to maybe 10 series so far, so I can't comment on anime I haven't seen regarding this point.
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Iemander



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:22 pm Reply with quote
I don't really get what the appeal is in this live-action thing. If the premise was better suited to be live-action and not be animated, it would've started off that way.

"Remaking" animation films in itself is ludicrous and would only serve to expand the market just like turning stuff into dolls and video games. It's safe to say that 90% of these remakes will turn out crap. Just look at Uwe Boll and you've got your answer.
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Tenchi



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:49 pm Reply with quote
From the failure of nearly every single announced anime remake to get out of "development hell" and into any substantial stage of production, it seems that studio executives think they're a good idea on paper, when they "option" the rights, but, when the studio suits look at the actual logistics of the projected budget of making the film a reality, they seem to cool on the idea awfully quickly.
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Nirvana



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:08 pm Reply with quote
Anyone ever see Live Action GTO? Personally, i"d prefer that over the anime anytime.
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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:11 pm Reply with quote
Remember that a fair proportion of Anime are based on Manga. If you look at it as a live-action film based on a book (or indeed comic) then.. it's really no different than any other live action film based on a book. And given the current popularity of films based on games, I can't see films based on Anime making any less sense since at least Anime tends to have a stronger plot than most games.
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Iemander



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:57 pm Reply with quote
Shiroi Hane wrote:
Remember that a fair proportion of Anime are based on Manga. If you look at it as a live-action film based on a book (or indeed comic) then.. it's really no different than any other live action film based on a book. And given the current popularity of films based on games, I can't see films based on Anime making any less sense since at least Anime tends to have a stronger plot than most games.


I've got a few gripes with this.

For starters, it's alot easier to put a comic in an animation than a live action film simply because you can use the exact same original graphical design. The Bleach animation for example is an almost direct copy from the manga. This kind of "imitation" is impossible in any other medium.

Second, the best stuff is always original and not based on anything. Unless you make severe changes in pacing and overall storyline (Thinking Hellsing), you'll be extremely limited by the content you're getting, never really tapping into the advantages of using the film medium.

Third, all films based on games literally suck save for Mortal Kombat (And even this one is an extremely simple popcorn movie). Wanting the same effort for remakes is like saying that you want all remakes to suck.

Fourth, it doesn't matter what medium, you'll always have a focus in something. Wether it's action, storyline, graphics or sound. I've seen storylines in games far outclassing most animation films, however I've seen the reverse as well. Just billing games inferior to animation films in the storyline departement however doesn't cut it, sorry. That's just a very ignorant statement.
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one3rd



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:03 pm Reply with quote
Nirvana wrote:
Anyone ever see Live Action GTO? Personally, i"d prefer that over the anime anytime.


Actually, with GTO, the live action version came before the anime.
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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:12 pm Reply with quote
I'm merely pointing out that films can be based on a wide variety of source media. All you require to make a film is a storyline and as I pointed out, both Anime and Films can be made from the same source material e.g. the book "Anne of Green Gables" has been made into both a film and an anime.
Basing an film on an Anime rather than on a novel you have the advantages of an existing fanbase and lot of the design work having been done already (costumes, settings, mechanical design etc).
Saying a film will be no good simply becuase it's based on an Anime rather than a novel or original idea is simply ludicrous. Saying a film is rubbish becuase it's not exactly the same as the anime is equally ludicrous, especially when there's probably already people making the same complaints about how the anime wasn't true to it's source material in turn.
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Nionel



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:10 pm Reply with quote
Really if you look at it, there already has been a live-action anime movie made, it's called Kill Bill, though it wasn't based on an anime there really is a lot of influence from anime and Japan in general in that movie
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totalgeek



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:56 pm Reply with quote
Call me crazy, but almost all of the anime I've watched I've wondered what it would be like it if it were made as a live action movie or series. I'd love to see someone try to do justice to FLCL as a Live Action movie! Very Happy I actually think it could be done, since I think it would come off like the movie Tank Girl. However, Tank Girl didn't do well and is now a cult classic. I predict that a live action FLCL movie would turn out the same way.
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