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endallchaos
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spoiler[Doesn't Shirou kill Archer?] Last edited by endallchaos on Sun May 03, 2015 4:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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SilverTalon01
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I felt like the animation didn't do Rin's fight justice. When I read the VN, I got the feeling that Caster was very serious and was having a pretty big shoot out with Rin (though still one sided because of the jewel limitations). This felt less like Rin was managing to match Caster's stronger spells and more like she was blocking some pity potshots which is probably why her gem magic seems disappointing to some.
In the Fate route and also the original anime,spoiler[ she kills berserker once with her gems and he is immune to attacks from anything B class noble phantasm and down including that giant explosive shot archer hits him with in the UBW that doesn't phase him at all.] So her gems are clearly very strong, they just didn't really look it here.
No, one single approach won't satisfy everyone. What you should have done though is choose one, and make it very clear. Instead you played both the 'I'm familiar with the source material' and the 'let me take a crack at guessing what happens' cards at the same time. That was by far the absolute worst option, and on at least the other anime forum I post in, will get you moderated if the mods notice it and the fake guess isn't spoiler tagged. As for Fate/Zero, I really don't see why that is an issue. Would you tread around a SAO season 1 spoiler when doing an SAO season 2 review? Or how about Psycho Pass, DxD, or using your example, would you try to circle around mentioning Obiwan dies in A New Hope if you were reviewing Empire Strikes Back? Probably not right? |
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Merostay
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according to the Q&A that came with the blu-rays,
Archer`s giant explosive arrow actually killed Berserker and he respawned before the smoke cleared. |
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Videogamep
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He's just talking about what Archer said in this episode. Do you mind adding a spoiler tag here? That's a pretty big spoiler for people who aren't familiar with Fate.
That's not really the same thing. It's expected that anyone watching season 2 of an anime has seen season 1, but UBW doesn't instantly assume that viewers have seen Fate/Zero, even if it has a few callbacks to it. A prequel isn't the same as a first season. |
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endallchaos
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My bad, I didn't know whether it was true or not lol |
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SilverTalon01
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Interesting that they changed it. In the VN it was stated to have done nothing to him. But either way, gem magic is at least on that level. |
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SilverTalon01
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No, a prequel isn't the same as a first season. However, when the creators specifically advertise something as a sequel, the series is a sequel. The promo for this UBW anime did just that. And this anime does instantly assume the viewers have seen Fate/Zero. Do you not remember how early they spoiled not only the existence of an extra servant but that Kotomine was involved not just as an administrator by showing Gil with Kotomine? So yeah, they are assuming you know thus there is no point in trying to surprise you with it later. |
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jl07045
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In the VN he had time to block the shot. It would most likely have killed him. |
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darkarcstar
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[quote="SilverTalon01"]
That's feeding the audience knowledge that they should already know at that point in the story because Unlimited Blade Works is the second story in the visual novel that can only be read after the Fate/Route spoiler[where they were the main antagonists] It's certainly done in a way that connects with Zero, but it's certainly not something the audience is expected to know, or they might as well as skip all the explanations of the Grail War that got impatient Zero audiences claiming it's "wasting time regurgitating information we already know" |
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Videogamep
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That would still work for a new audience since it's only a spoiler if you actually know that Gil's a servant. A new viewer would just see that scene as Kotomine talking to a mysterious blonde guy. And what promo do you mean? I remember one using Fate/Zero footage, but that was probably because they hadn't completed enough from this to make a trailer and Zero's the best known version of Fate. Nasu actually said in an interview that this wouldn't be a direct sequel to Zero. |
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SilverTalon01
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Seems like you're forgetting or did not know that Nasu was the reason they adapted UBW and not Fate specifically because he suggested that the Fate route would regurgitate too much information about the holy grail war setting that people already knew. UBW route has some as well, but it comes in at important scenes so they couldn't cut it entirely though they did speed through it. So again, this was made intending for it to be a sequel. Decisions assuming that were made going in, and the promotion for the series explicitly describes it as such.
Actually, I checked and I remembered wrong. The sword Archer used was an A rank NP. So you're right, it could have killed him. Still supports my original point that Rin's jewels attacks are actually incredibly powerful regardless of how it looked in this fight because Rin's jewels are on the same level as Archer's earlier shot because you need at least an A rank attack to hurt berserker. |
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SilverTalon01
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiIFti_Bjo8 Or it showed some Zero stuff at the beginning because it specifically says "the story continued" at 1:45 (conveniently in English). Would have been weird to say that without letting you know what story they were continuing. It also just so happens that the definition of a sequel is 'a work that continues the narrative of a preceding work'. Even if you want to argue it wasn't super obvious the blond guy was a servant, it still shows Kirei clearly as an antagonist plotting something instead of just a twisted priest. Also if the assumption wasn't that you had seen Zero, the scene would be meaningless because you'd have no idea what they're talking about. The excuse that UBW takes place after Fate doesn't work either because while that is true, these are anime original scenes and the original UBW route still played Gil and Kirei's involvement as a surprise (despite actually being forced to go through Fate first). |
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Videogamep
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That scene would still serve as foreshadowing, even if a viewer wouldn't know what's going on while they're watching it. I still wouldn't classify these two the same as different seasons because they tell two different stories with different styles and only have 3 important characters in common. |
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SilverTalon01
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The only thing that scene could possibly foreshadow is what spoiler[Kirei and Gil plan to do with the grail]. Even if it does that, you're proving my point because then you agree the scene is giving you info on what was originally a 'big reveal' that Kirei is an involved, bad guy as early as episode 3. We know that from F/Z and the changes they've made with UBW so that is just as good as the point you're disputing. They're forshadowing Kirei's future involvement in episode 3 because there is no need to conceal what is blatantly obvious to anyone who watched the preceding work. Just the same as why they're throwing Gil around more. They're taking advantage of the fact that you already know in order to better develop things the original couldn't. I showed you official promotional material clearly showing the intent of the creators of the show. I can go get you some sources for the definition of sequel if you want. You can call a cat a dog, but that doesn't make it one. You can call this whatever you want, but by definition, it is a sequel. |
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Ohoni
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To the reviewer, do you have any type of spoiler tags? I mean, ideally you'd be able to write a review as someone who had ONLY seen UBS, but then include potions that are like
"but if you've seen Fate Zero, you would know that spoiler[this happened.]" Or maybe just write a separate sub-review that includes spoilers, linked to at the end of the main one. I'm not sure what editoral options are available. |
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