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Parsifal24
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:49 pm |
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Well another show I was looking forward to picked up for legal streaming looking forward to this one.
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dragonrider_cody
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:52 pm |
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| Jonny Mendes wrote: | |
Now we have a soulless giant company with lots of money but no heart and understanding on how anime fans work.
That's why i would prefer that anime stayed a niche were the people involved are fans of the product they were selling. Go to more mainstream companies brings bad things for real fans most of the time. |
The hyperbole is a little ridiculous. Companies don't have souls, no matter how big or small they are. Funimation got into bed with CR because their streaming service couldn't compete and CR was driving license costs too high for titles to be profitable. They didn't do it out of he kindness of their heart. They did it to make money.
Amazon is doing the same. And Sentai teamed up with them because they were their best, and really only option, to compete against what was becoming a streaming monopoly in the anime market. I love how everyone is freaking out from Sentai returning to its more normal acquisition amounts and how it could lead to Amazon becoming a monopoly, but weren't freaking out about CR potentially becoming one when they gobbling up all but two or three niche shows each season.
Streaming is going to end up like cable. If you want everything, you will have to pay more. Otherwise, you will have to settle for what you are willing to pay for, or find other means to watch it. There comes a breaking point where companies can't produce the type of quality that we expect when revenue falls too low.
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Animegunclub
Joined: 26 Jun 2017
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Location: AyeTeeEl, Jawhjah
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:53 pm |
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| SpacemanHardy wrote: | | Blankslate wrote: | | I hope everyone who's paying for Anime Strike is proud of what they've accomplished. They've shown Amazon that anime fans are willing to put up with any shitty business practice that's thrown at them. |
Anime Strike is basically to streaming what Aniplex of America is to physical releases. Instead of everyone banding together and saying "NO", thereby forcing the big companies to change their methods, there are always gonna be the handful of people who have to ruin it for everyone else. |
Yall bein' a wee bit melodramatic, don't yall think?
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TheAncientOne
Joined: 06 Oct 2010
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Location: USA (mid-south)
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:22 pm |
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| jenthehen wrote: | Anime Strike would be way better if they didn't use those tiny closed captions subtitles that I can barely see even on my giant tv |
What device are you using for viewing? Their web viewer is rather flexible, offering options to change the font size, color, and toggle the translucent background on or off.
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dragonrider_cody
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:25 pm |
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| TheAncientOne wrote: | | jenthehen wrote: | Anime Strike would be way better if they didn't use those tiny closed captions subtitles that I can barely see even on my giant tv |
What device are you using for viewing? Their web viewer is rather flexible, offering options to change the font size, color, and toggle the translucent background on or off. |
PlayStation 4 allows the same, though I would prefer that the largest size be a tad bit larger. But I've seen far, far worse.
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Jonny Mendes
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:52 pm |
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| dragonrider_cody wrote: | |
The hyperbole is a little ridiculous. Companies don't have souls, no matter how big or small they are. Funimation got into bed with CR because their streaming service couldn't compete and CR was driving license costs too high for titles to be profitable. They didn't do it out of he kindness of their heart. They did it to make money.
Amazon is doing the same. And Sentai teamed up with them because they were their best, and really only option, to compete against what was becoming a streaming monopoly in the anime market. I love how everyone is freaking out from Sentai returning to its more normal acquisition amounts and how it could lead to Amazon becoming a monopoly, but weren't freaking out about CR potentially becoming one when they gobbling up all but two or three niche shows each season.
Streaming is going to end up like cable. If you want everything, you will have to pay more. Otherwise, you will have to settle for what you are willing to pay for, or find other means to watch it. There comes a breaking point where companies can't produce the type of quality that we expect when revenue falls too low. | I don't mind Funimation and CR partnership. And you know why? Because they are good anime companies. They understand anime fans. And their anime service was good enough. Good simulcast and simuldub. Good availability.
If another anime company come and offer a similar service, that would be good also.
The amount that i pay in CR and Funi is what i find just price for the quality of service they provide (it could be better, but still it beat amazon by miles).
I can't say money spend on amazon anime streaming is a well spend money.
Amazon is not a anime company and they have a bad and expensive service. The money they ask are too high for the quality of service they have.
What i mean is i don't mind spend a little more, if the service is good enough. What i care is if the extra money is justified.
When i talked about soul, i mean, they listen to the fans. You can talk to CR and Funi and have a sense they were wiling to at least listen to your concerns. Talking to a giant like Amazon is like talking to a brick.
And the monopoly, will happen with Amazon.
They have the money to overpay any other company, pay how much they want for the licenses and become the monopoly company of anime streaming.
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dragonrider_cody
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:18 pm |
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@JonnyMendes
Yes, Amazon has the ability to do so. However, they haven't shown the will to monopolize the market. They have enough cash that they could dominate the market literally overnight. Last season they could have even taken Attack on Titan if they really wanted it. Amazon going balls to the wall in anime makes no financial sense, as the market simply doesn't warrant it. They already over a hundred times the number of paying sucbscribers that CR does, and they have thousands and thousands of times the revenue of CR.
And the quality and whether the price is worth it is totally subjective. To me, getting both CR and Funimation costs too much for what you get. Their apps are poorly designed, and their streams are unreliable, especially CR's on the weekend. I also can't stand how CR doesn't support HTML5 streaming in a mobile browser when almost every other video site does so. I don't mind downloading an app after I tried your service, but it shouldn't be the only way to access it. If even the Anime Network could switch their videos over there is no reason that CR can't, other than either being too cheap or lazy to do so. Flash is dead and it's time they realize it.
There is also the fact that usually don't get the shows that I'm interested in. I'm not paying for a service, even with competently designed apps, when they don't have the shows that I want. For me, since I've had Prime for years and already use many of its services, Strike is a better deal, even when I add in Hidive to get the dubs they don't have. Their streams are more reliable. Their app, while not as well designed as Netflix and Hulu, is miles ahead of Funi or CR in terms of usability and design. I can chose the color, size, and style of subtitles.
So while it may not be good for you, it is for others. It's time that people accept the fact there will never be a single streaming platform that has everything you want. It didn't happen with TV, and it certainly won't happen with websites which bring in even less revenue.
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Animegomaniac
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:28 pm |
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| Jonny Mendes wrote: | |
And the monopoly, will happen with Amazon.
They have the money to overpay any other company, pay how much they want for the licenses and become the monopoly company of anime streaming. |
I'd rather have it happen with Amazon than CR. 1 Amazon already has made plans for all physical releases while CR has not 2 CR is forcing Funi out of its sphere of competition entirely by having them remove all Japanese language tracks eventually "You'll get some exclusives to be dubbed... later... and you'll be happy with it" as CR draws it cutlass across Funimation's throat 3 We were in danger of streaming bubble to pop... than deflate thanks to Funi/CR partnership... but now it will hopefully level out because this present level of anime production needs outside money to help maintain it. I don't expect CR to go away... though been hoping it for the past five years... but I couldn't have been the only person to face palm at their crack of "Getting access to every anime show every season"; That's some Greek tragedy level of hubris there...
4 No one's forcing the Japanese companies to deal with Amazon. In fact, seeing they like the AoA model of keeping anime expensive, they'd be more likely to work with them... more likely to work with established entities like the people at Sentai... and more likely to not want to work with the people who came to prominence through illicit means.
In short, they're conservative, exclusive and then greedy. It's not just the money, there's some pride at work here.
And I'm loving it.
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jenthehen
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:46 pm |
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| TheAncientOne wrote: | | jenthehen wrote: | Anime Strike would be way better if they didn't use those tiny closed captions subtitles that I can barely see even on my giant tv |
What device are you using for viewing? Their web viewer is rather flexible, offering options to change the font size, color, and toggle the translucent background on or off. |
Roku smart tv.
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lossthief
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:59 pm |
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| Animegomaniac wrote: | |
I'd rather have it happen with Amazon than CR. 1 Amazon already has made plans for all physical releases while CR has not |
They have? Could you provide a link to that since the last I'd seen, the only word on any of Amazon's licensed series was when Crunchyroll announced they'd be doing the physical release for Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress last year, which we've heard nothing of since. CR, however, has a distribution means for their series already with Funimation, with 91 Days scheduled for release this September.
| Quote: | | 2 CR is forcing Funi out of its sphere of competition entirely by having them remove all Japanese language tracks eventually "You'll get some exclusives to be dubbed... later... and you'll be happy with it" as CR draws it cutlass across Funimation's throat |
That's...just ridiculous? That's not how partnerships work, and Funimation has already produced several dubs for CR-licensed series since their partnership started in Fall. Crunchyroll is certainly getting a benefit from covering Funi's JPN language simulcasts, but Funi is also pretty clearly getting the benefit from CR's promotional reach and access to titles CR has licensed.
| Quote: | | 3 We were in danger of streaming bubble to pop... than deflate thanks to Funi/CR partnership... but now it will hopefully level out because this present level of anime production needs outside money to help maintain it. I don't expect CR to go away... though been hoping it for the past five years... but I couldn't have been the only person to face palm at their crack of "Getting access to every anime show every season"; That's some Greek tragedy level of hubris there... |
I can think of few things more likely to balloon the US anime industry's spending faster than a huge company with deep pockets and a hunger for ready content stepping into an industry that is still very much niche compared to the rest of the worldwide streaming/TV industry. Amazon has the money to potentially steamroll all competition out of existence, which ain't great for the longterm health of the industry on either side of the pacific.
| Quote: | | 4 and more likely to not want to work with the people who came to prominence through illicit means.. |
Yeah, I'm sure companies that have been dealing and working with CR for the better part of a decade - even co-producing anime with them - are very concerned with their fansub days all of a sudden. That's gotta be it.
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dragonrider_cody
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:24 pm |
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| Animegomaniac wrote: | | Jonny Mendes wrote: | |
And the monopoly, will happen with Amazon.
They have the money to overpay any other company, pay how much they want for the licenses and become the monopoly company of anime streaming. |
I'd rather have it happen with Amazon than CR. 1 Amazon already has made plans for all physical releases while CR has not 2 CR is forcing Funi out of its sphere of competition entirely by having them remove all Japanese language tracks eventually "You'll get some exclusives to be dubbed... later... and you'll be happy with it" as CR draws it cutlass across Funimation's throat 3 We were in danger of streaming bubble to pop... than deflate thanks to Funi/CR partnership... but now it will hopefully level out because this present level of anime production needs outside money to help maintain it. I don't expect CR to go away... though been hoping it for the past five years... but I couldn't have been the only person to face palm at their crack of "Getting access to every anime show every season"; That's some Greek tragedy level of hubris there...
4 No one's forcing the Japanese companies to deal with Amazon. In fact, seeing they like the AoA model of keeping anime expensive, they'd be more likely to work with them... more likely to work with established entities like the people at Sentai... and more likely to not want to work with the people who came to prominence through illicit means.
In short, they're conservative, exclusive and then greedy. It's not just the money, there's some pride at work here.
And I'm loving it. |
I don't want anyone to have a monopoly, which is why I'm happy to see CR have some competition. However, I do agree with some of your points. No one is forcing the Japanese companies to work with Amazon. They are clearly doing so because they are being paid well, and it serves their financial interests to do so.
Not to mention, Amazon would have entered this field with or without Sentai's help. At least with them working with Sentai, we have guarantee of a physical release (with no DVD-R, as Amazon does for some media it distributes), and there is a fairly good chance some of the higher profile shows will be dubbed. I think Amazon alone would have been much, much worse. Even the subtitles on the Sentai and Aniplex simulcasts are better than the earlier Prime and Strike shows that Amazon did themselves.
Furthermore, I have to add that it's very, very unlikely that a monopoly of any sort in the US will go unchallenged by the Japanese companies. We already saw some considerable support get thrown behind Sentai when they started out, and I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see similar steps should Funi and CR get too much control of the market. It's probably a better option than the possibility of having another Japanese company, like Kadokowa or TBS, setting up shop in the US.
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kyokun47
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:23 pm |
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My problem with Anime Strike is and always will be the price. With all of the great titles Sentai/Amazon are picking up, it wouldn't actually be much of an issue... if Anime Strike was the only streaming service around. Instead of paying $5-10 a month with one or two streaming services (I can do $120 a year easy), I have to pay an EXTRA $160 to watch the rest of the shows airing. Even monthly, a $30-40 bill to keep up with every anime airing, including services like Netflix and Hulu, is just too much to justify. Sure, the added bonuses of Prime are nice, but to someone who is only in it for the anime, I just can't stand behind practices like this.
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FlowerAiko
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:29 pm |
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Amazon's exponential growth rate either means that:
1) Anime Strike is becoming very successful so they're trying to meet the demand
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2) Amazon's not doing great and they're grabbing everything with Sentai in the hope that they eventually get the numbers they need to keep doing this.
Anime Strike has refused to release their number of subscribers already so it's anyone's guess.
Also, to the people who are claiming that this is bringing doom to the legal anime streaming market, I wouldn't put on the tinfoil hat so soon. Yes, Amazon probably has more money now than Funiroll has ever had and can likely get these shows without seeing that much of a change in their income. But, if Anime Strike is proving to be a negative investment consistently, they're not going to keep buying so much anime. They want to make money.
Meanwhile, the illegal sites are probably celebrating Anime Strike as their userbase is probably growing...
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zrnzle500
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:37 pm |
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| dragonrider_cody wrote: | | Furthermore, I have to add that it's very, very unlikely that a monopoly of any sort in the US will go unchallenged by the Japanese companies. We already saw some considerable support get thrown behind Sentai when they started out, and I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see similar steps should Funi and CR get too much control of the market. It's probably a better option than the possibility of having another Japanese company, like Kadokowa or TBS, setting up shop in the US. |
Definitely, the licensors will not let any site, whether CR/Funi or Amazon, have a monopsony (single buyer to monopoly's single seller) on licensing anime, for obvious reasons. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if pushing more stuff onto Amazon was a reaction to the CR-Funi deal, who seemed on the verge of consistently getting nearly every show every season. If Strike doesn't work out, they will find someone else to compete with them.
I don't think Amazon would try to get all the simulcasts of the season anyhow. They have lots of money, but they also have lots of other, bigger, things they are doing which are higher priorities, like say buying Whole Foods to boost their grocery business. I don't see them getting much more that Funi did when they were competing for simulcasts, which is about what they are doing now, and again the licensors won't want them to have everything anymore than they would CR.
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Covnam
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:39 pm |
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I'm surprised to see all these Sentai titles going to Amazon instead of HiDive, but perhaps that's why TAN was shuttered.
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