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dormcat
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A 30th anniversary celebration page of CLAMP hosted on Chinese streaming giant bilibili.
https://www.bilibili.com/blackboard/topic/CLAMP30_web.html (Note: The page has background music) The page layout and contents are jaw-dropping, breath-taking, and awe-inspiring. |
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JustHereToAskThis
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Hello. Dont know if this is the right place to ask but... What in the world happened to the Weekly Oricon Manga sales charts? They just suddenly stopped being posted since March.
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narwhalgal
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Does anyone know if the last 2 manga books of the eternal edition of Sailor Moon could be delayed due to the virus? They are suppose to be released after the summer.
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Adzik
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My question concerns the D.N. Angel manga. It had been on hiatus since 2005 but back at the beginning of 2008 ANN reported that it was to be continued.
Since then I have heard no further updates from ANN concerning D.N. Angel. However, Wiki has said that there are currently 13 volumes out. Tokyo Pop only has up to Vol. 11 listed. And BarnesandNoble says it has D.N. Angel listed but it's currently out of stock. Hopefully you can tell that I have done my homework trying to research this. But I have been unable to find the answer to a question that has been burning in my mind since 2005. Does anyone know when Vol. 12 (and the following vol's) will be released here in the U.S.? Thank you. |
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ElectroJane
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@Adzik
You may have already found your answer elsewhere at this point, but in case not... Basically, if you want more volumes of D.N.Angel released, you'll need to pester Viz, not Tokyopop. Tokyopop did originally release what looks like 13 volumes in print, but then Tokyopop left the US manga market for several years. As a result, many manga series, including D.N.Angel, were left with incomplete releases. Eventually, Viz picked up the license and they re-released the 13 volumes Tokyopop released in digital-only form (https://www.viz.com/read/d-n-angel/section/72007/more). Unfortunately, so far Viz hasn't seemed interested in releasing any subsequent volumes, so it's unlikely we'll see the entire D.N.Angel manga in english any time soon, if ever. |
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mdo7
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I know this post I quoted above is from 2007. But I feel like I have to put a correction after 18 years of possible misinformation. I looked around to see if Adam Warren's Dirty Pair OEL manga/comic have ever gotten a Japanese release. To this day, I can confirmed with 100% certainty that the particular OEL manga/comic has never seen a Japanese release as of this post. Sources: a 2023 essay on this Another essay that talked about Adam Warren's Dirty Pair So it looks like both blog entries have confirmed this particular series has never seen a Japanese release even to this day, and that's very sad because IDW's Godzilla comic series, and even IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog comic series both got Japanese-language releases over there, and with the case of IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog, it did so well in Japan to the point it sell like hotcake over there, where they had to re-printed vol.1 because of that, I've never seen that for an American comic book in Japan given the reputation of American comic book in Japan. Even some of the IDW exclusive characters from the comic have appeared in Sega's Japanese fire safety promo in Japan (yes, this actually happened) according to this confirmed Reddit thread. So this proves that American comic book (or even OEL manga) based on Japanese properties can do well in Japan, and there are audiences in Japan that are willing to read them. I think this is the right time for Adam Warren's Dirty Pair OEL/comic to probably get a Japanese-language release given that we licensed and translate manga based on popular US/western IP in the US. Why not allow Japan to have OEL manga and comic book adaptation of popular/mainstream Japanese IP/properties to be released over there? I want to also touch on simulpub because we've been seeing more and more of manga simulpub releases in the US at the same it comes out in Japan, and yet when an American comic book (or even OEL manga) based on a Japanese properties get published/released in the US, it doesn't get a simulpub release in Japan in that same manner/standard. Does this make sense to you? Because it doesn't to me because as a manga fan in the US, I appreciate getting a manga in the US on the same day it comes out in Japan. But let's imagine a Japanese fan of let say Ultraman, Godzilla, or any popular mainstream Japanese properties hearing about American comic book/OEL manga adaptation of these popular mainstream Japanese properties coming out in the US and at the same time hearing about Japanese manga being given a simulpub release in the US as it comes out in Japan. I can imagine that Japanese-speaking fan raising this question: "Why is it that a manga fan in the US can get the latest manga in the US as it comes out in Japan at the same time, and yet we Japanese fans like me that are big fan of Ultraman, Godzilla, and other can't get an American comic books adaptation or based on these same Japanese properties to get simulpub release in Japan? What do manga fan in the US get out of it while we Japanese fans have to wait years for that American comic book based on popular Japanese properties to get a Japanese release?" The only time an American comic book based on a well-known Japanese properties got a simultaneous release in both Japan and USA was back in 2013, Cyborg 009: Reborn. This is the only time an American comic book based on a well-known manga properties was given a simulpub release in Japan. After that, I never seen any other American comic book based on a Japanese properties were ever given this simulpub release in Japan ever again. Not even IDW's Godzilla, or something else. IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog comic selling like hotcake in Japan should've warranted a possible simulpub release in Japan in the same manner like how we're getting manga simulpub in the US. Here's my question: How is it that an American comic book/OEL manga based on popular mainstream Japanese properties like Godzilla, Ultraman, Sonic the Hedgehog, Mega Man, and others don't get simulpub release in Japan at the same time it comes out in the US when manga fans in the US can get the latest manga at the same time as it comes out in Japan? What's preventing American comic books/graphic novels/OEL manga based on mainstream Japanese properties from getting simulpub release in Japan when manga can get simulpub release in the US? What made Cyborg 009: Reborn American comic so special for it get a simulpub release in Japan in 2013 when no other American comic based on Japanese properties don't receive any simulpub after that? That's my question since I was baffled on why IDW's Godzilla comic, along with Marvel's Ultraman series, and IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog comic series were not given simulpub release in Japan given that all of them are mainstream Japanese properties in Japan, and at the same we can get the latest and newest Japanese manga in the US at the same time it comes out in Japan. |
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Alan45
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I think the answer is fairly easy. In the US there is a tremendous market for manga. The real thing not something based on an American franchise. This is to the extent that for the last several years manga has been one of if not the best selling categories of books. There are currently a dozen or so US companies in the business of licensing manga. As far as I know none of these is currently associated with a US comic book publisher. Simulpub manga is of relatively recent occurrence and to my knowledge does not involve any US comic book franchise.
As best I can tell from what is discussed on ANN and elsewhere in the US, there is no similar demand for US comic book franchises in Japan. With regard to OEL publications based on Japanese IP, that would have to be only on license from the Japanese rights holder and could only be republished in Japan by the rights holder or on license from them. If they don't want it released in Japan it won't be. Specifically with regard to Adam Warren's version of the Dirty Pair, I should point out that it was published back in the beginning of anime and manga in the US at a time when the Japanese were largely unaware of the US market. Warren's version was rather satiric and as I remember he killed off one of the girls and replaced her with a clone. I doubt it would be permitted today and likely would be difficult to republish now. |
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mdo7
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Alan45, although what you say is true and not wrong. But at the same time, seeing American comic book/graphic novels including OEL manga based on popular mainstream Japanese properties not getting simulpub release in Japan feels wrong, and not quite a big win-win for everyone including Japanese readers, and fans of these properties. As someone who's been watching all these manga getting simulpub release in the US as it comes out in Japan, I've been wondering "how many people in Japan or even the Japanese public are aware of this practice? Out of all the people in Japan/Japanese public, how many of them are fans of Godzilla, Sonic The Hedgehog, Mega Man, etc... How many of them are also reading or have access to American comic book adaptation of these Japanese properties that are already available? If they are aware of manga getting simulpub of Japan, are we going to see a big push of having American comic book based on Japanese IP getting simulpub release in Japan?"
I thought Spider-man and Batman are the 2 most popular superheroes in Japan. I thought those 2 would warrant a reason to do simulpub release in Japan for them, but I'm getting off topic and this is not the point. But I'm talking about American comic books based on Japanese IP like for example, Mad Cave comic adaptation of Gatchaman. That still hasn't gotten a Japanese-language release despite being based on a beloved Tatsunoko property, and I was baffled that this particular comic didn't get a simulpub release in Japan when manga can somehow get a simulpub release in the US. I can say the same for this IDW's Godzilla comic title. Again, how is this comic not have gotten a simulpub release in Japan when Godzilla is Japan's cultural icon. Now Japanese reader of this ongoing comic series has to wait for a year or a few years for this comic to get an official Japanese-language release, that is just unacceptable to me as someone who's been observing manga getting simulpub release in the US. This is where I make a strong argument for these comic to get a simulpub release in Japan in the same manner manga get a simulpub release in the US:
You do know where I'm coming from on this.
Well, I can't speculate if this particular OEL manga would get a future re-release, but I have no doubt there maybe Japanese fans that might be already aware of this titles' existence. So if Adam Warren's Dirty Pair OEL ever get announce for a future re-release, expect Japanese fans want to have this translated and release in Japan ASAP. Because again, they're already aware of manga simulpub releases in the US (along with DC and Marvel manga getting quick English release in the US), they're going to want to know when that particular OEL get a quick but not simultaneous Japanese-language release. I can also make that same argument for the Tenchi Muyo's American OEL comic/manga omnibus edition. Japanese Tenchi fans are probably already aware of this particular title, and are also asking that same questions regarding this one be getting a Japanese-language translated release ASAP. The Cyborg 009: Reborn getting a simulpub release in Japan back in 2013 proves that American comic based on Japanese properties can get a simulpub release, and it should've been possible for the other comic I listed above to have gotten simulpub release, and the fact that you got manga being simulpub release in the US seem to reinforce that amongst Japanese public/observers. So I can make a strong argument on that, and also Japanese fans of these popular mainstream Japanese properties can also make a very strong argument for some of these American comic book to get simulpub release in Japan (in the case for IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog, and IDW's Godzilla, and Marvel's Ultraman), and for some never previously release comic/OEL like the Tenchi Muyo OEL and the Dirty Pair OEL to get a quick translation and release in Japan at the same time if it'll get a US release in the near future. So yes, the Japanese publishers do have the mean and the technology of having these getting simulpub release in Japan in that same manner. I don't understand why this can't be implemented given that the Japanese public are already aware of manga being simulpub in the US at the same time it comes out in Japan. |
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Alan45
Village Elder Posts: 10385 Location: Virginia |
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Concerning OEL comics based on Japanese Intellectual Property:
Under current law, anything copyright in Japan is also copyright in the US. In order for a commercial publication of an OEL comic based on Japanese IP to occur here the permission or license from the Japanese IP owner must be obtained. I suspect that in most cases, the content of such an OEL publication would have to receive review and approval by the Japanese company before publication. Any Japanese publication (including simulpub) of such OEL manga is entirely in the hands of the Japanese IP holder. If the Japanese IP holder says "no" it doesn't get published. It is as simple as that. For those franchises where the original author is still involved it is likely that the company holding the formal copyright would ask for their approval as well. |
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mdo7
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And this is the same Japanese publication companies that allow manga to get simulpub in the US and outside of Japan, and yet the irony is that they can't get an American comic book based on a mainstream popular Japanese property to get a simulpub release in Japan. So while we get the latest Naruto chapters in a manga in the US the same time it comes out in Japan, the Japanese fans/readers can't get a legitimate translated copies of TMNT X Naruto crossover comic officially in Japan while American readers get to enjoy that crossover comic alongside any simulpub manga that they get thanks to that. As I said, the Japanese fans/public are already been aware of manga being simulpub in the US as it comes out in Japan. You're going to have fans of Godzilla, Ultraman, and other Japanese properties in Japan raising questions about why do these comic not get a simulpub release in Japan when it's very easy for a manga to get a simulpub release in the US and elsewhere. This is a legitimate questions and debate that are going to be asked by these Japanese fans (& observers). Even Sonic the Hedgehog fans in Japan that are currently reading the IDW comic that are also aware of manga being simulpub in the US are going to raise that same question because well you understand how manga fans in the US wanted the latest manga to come out in the US the same time it comes out in Japan back before simulpub became a thing, those Japanese fans can make that same argument. Now it's going to be the Japanese fans turn to want these American comic book/graphic novel based on Japanese properties to get a simulpub releases in Japan & they have a strong argument for that. I mean it's not difficult for some of these American comic/graphic novels to be simulpub release in Japan digitally on the same level as we get manga simulpub in the US. And this has already been done back in 2013 with Cyborg 009: Reborn. I know we western fans don't have the power to make that change, but Japanese fans are aware of the manga simulpub in the US. They're going to use that and the the same argument western fans made for simulpub and applied it to American/western comics that are based on Japanese properties to get a simulpub release in Japan. I hope to see the day that a Japanese fan of *insert any mainstream Japanese properties/IPs* can get a translated copy of a American comic book adaptation of said Japanese properties/IP in Japan the same day it comes out in the US. I want to note that the TMNT X Naruto crossover comic, in order for that to have been officially a thing. That would need an approval not only from Viz Media, but also both Shueisha's and Masashi Kishimoto's approval too. So that means both Shueisha and Kishimoto should've allowed and approved this comic to have gotten a simulpub release in Japan at the same time it comes out in the US. I have no doubt IDW would've given the green light to have the crossover comic simulpub release in Japan. But it's baffling that Shueisha and Kishimoto allowed this crossover comic, but at the same time didn't allow this comic to get a simulpub release in Japan. |
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Alan45
Village Elder Posts: 10385 Location: Virginia |
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There is no telling why Japanese companies make the decisions they do. They may have perfectly valid reasons or it may be a result of a decision maker's personal whim. This is no different than a specific anime staying out of print in the US because the Japanese company wants more than can ever be recouped in sales.
In this case it may be that they don't think there would be any market for the US version. Alternately they may not want to dilute the brand with a competing version. Quite possibly the original author/artist does not like what the US version looks like. We will never know and just have to accept that the Japanese rights holder knows their business better than we do. Worrying about what a Japanese publishing company does or does not do is akin to beating your head against a brick wall. Very unproductive and likely to give you a headache. US companies are no better. |
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