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Panino Manino
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 5:18 pm |
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| Azure Chrysanthemum wrote: | |
I'm torn between "Urano has a lower probability of knowing this because she's Japanese which doesn't have a huge cultural penetration for Christianity" versus "Urano DEFINITELY read that because she absolutely read the Bible because she reads everything".
Yeah, I think option 2 sounds the most legit here. |
There's a reason why Urano is a "bookworm", one I can't mention yet. The second reason is that it makes convenient to justify how she knows how to make so many profitable things, despite the story undermining this with the revelation that her mother forced her to do a lot of activities.
Beyond that is a bit frustrating for me, how Myne sometimes feels a bit too much ignorant and innocent for someone who have read so much. But that is also "explained" by her underdeveloped body affecting her mind.
| blahmoomoo wrote: | | Panino Manino wrote: | | #9
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Agreed with all of this. Now I wonder how much of the nerfing of the character emotions has been there all along or if it's only a problem with this season.
For previous seasons, I hadn't read the novels yet. For this season, I'm ahead a little bit and am seeing a ton of flaws. It's like Rozemyne can't get angry, even though she gets plenty angry in the novels (especially in this episode). And that Ferdinand is always calm and collected but firm, even though he has other emotions too. But also, he's violent in the anime??? At least, I do not recall a scene in the novel where Ferdinand tied Wilfried to a chair. Or threatened to crush Lamprecht. Unless that was in the extra chapter; I haven't read that yet. |
I don't get why people complain so much about the previous studio.
No matter how "cheap" and how many cuts they had to make they still succeeded in preserving the essence of the tone and characters.
I read the LN after the anime and recently I re-watched a bit and found nothing really worth to complain.
Funny when I remember the first time I watched the anime, I got really mad at Ferdinand for the longest time until I understood how much he was hiding what he really thought and was trying to do.
About the bold part, yes, Ferdinand loses patience with Lamprecht and crushes him a bit, because Wilfred's failures are his retainers failures. Lamprecht is Karstedt "black sheep", he is nowhere near as competent as his older and younger brothers.
And Ferdinand tying Wilfred is no joke.
Ferdinand "giving him a scare" is the most formative moment in his childhood. Mostly of what keeps he going and succeeding in the future is fear for Ferdinand. But you would hardly guess this just watching the anime. Don't forget that this world is brutal, a lot of Nobles in Wilfred imediate family were killed in recent years and by nature he occupies a very dangerous position.
| Key wrote: | | Ep 9: That scene was also sufficient to show me that Sylvester's mother is a potential problem spot. |
I wanted to say "was", but...
She ruled the Duchy, until that trap at the Temple finally put her in jail.
Now that Sylvester is finally ruling his Duchy he has to deal with the lasting consequences of all the ills her mother did. She ruined Wilfred, she wanted him to be a puppet, as she tried to do with Sylvester himself. Veronica was very aware of how incompetent Wilfred's Retainers are but the situation pleased her, and pleasing Veronica was also in their interests.
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Panino Manino
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 5:26 pm |
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| smurky turkey wrote: | | 9:
This week Wilfried got quite the harsh lesson. He needed it though since he still has a future ahead of him now, if he had continued as is he would not have had a great one (or one at all). Not being able to read or write while you see the children in the orphanage do so must be a severe blow. |
The situation is more serious than some may realize.
This incident saved Wilfred.
If Myne had not interfered in his education now he would fail his Debut, which would lead to him losing the title of Heir, and in the future a more probably than not demotion to Archnoble before enrolling at the Royal Academy.
This would be the best outcome for Wilfred, if lucky.
The other option would be a convenient "death by illness", and if Sylvester was not "man enough" to kill his own son, than a convenient assassination.
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blahmoomoo
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 5:37 pm |
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Ok, maybe I just forgot Ferdinand's actions. It does feel a little sudden when his tone with Sylvester was more subdued.
To be clear, I'm not complaining about the previous studio. I thought that the previous seasons were just fine, when I hadn't read the novels yet and comparing what I did read in the novels to my memory of the anime when I did read the novels later. It just feels like this season has been making unnecessary changes to the characters (e.g., I'm fairly certain that when Rozemyne suggested they swap places for a day in the novel, it was out of anger and she came up with it in the spur of the moment, rather than some predetermined plan to dig into what's happening to Wilfried. Remember how she didn't like the idea of manipulating the mayor last week?).
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Key
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2026 9:34 am |
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| Panino Manino wrote: | | I wanted to say "was", but...
She ruled the Duchy, until that trap at the Temple finally put her in jail.
Now that Sylvester is finally ruling his Duchy he has to deal with the lasting consequences of all the ills her mother did. |
This is interesting. Is this something that was brought up in the novels to this point that the anime has skipped over?
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Panino Manino
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2026 2:45 pm |
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| Key wrote: | | Panino Manino wrote: | | I wanted to say "was", but...
She ruled the Duchy, until that trap at the Temple finally put her in jail.
Now that Sylvester is finally ruling his Duchy he has to deal with the lasting consequences of all the ills her mother did. |
This is is interesting. Is this something that was brought up in the novels to this point that the anime has skipped over? |
I don't remember... except the realization that Wilfred's Retainers atitudes is one of those consequences. Is not only that Wilfred was already guaranteed as the Heir, is that their method is putting others down and stealing achievements.
So not only Wilfred would not have to compete with his siblings, his siblings would also have to forfeit the results of their work to him. Is one of the reasons why Ferdinand was so hated, as he became competent his very existence as an offense to Sylvester. That's why he had to leave noble society and hid at the Temple, doing nothing.
Her faction also had these pedigree ideas, the ones that descent from Greater Duchies like Veronica are very conceited. And Veronica's Faction is Sylvester's Faction. He got hid of her but he inherit her faction as his own Base, Sylvester isn't ruling with "the best and he need to make amends with the other Faction that very reasonably hates him with good reasons.
There's much more court drama in this story than in Apothecary Diaries.
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Key
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2026 6:28 pm |
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| Panino Manino wrote: | | There's much more court drama in this story than in Apothecary Diaries. |
Hmmm. I'm guessing we haven't really seen more than the barest hints of that yet because we're still mostly operating with Myne's perspective on things, and she hasn't really been formally introduced to that aspect yet. Something to look forward to as the story progresses.
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blahmoomoo
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2026 8:49 pm |
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| Key wrote: | | Panino Manino wrote: | | There's much more court drama in this story than in Apothecary Diaries. |
Hmmm. I'm guessing we haven't really seen more than the barest hints of that yet because we're still mostly operating with Myne's perspective on things, and she hasn't really been formally introduced to that aspect yet. Something to look forward to as the story progresses. |
I can confirm that we have only seen hints of the court drama since I'm only slightly ahead (I just finished p3 vol. 2, which is where the next episode will probably end, and I stand corrected re: Ferdinand using restraining magic on Wilfried). The reason for Wilfried's poor upbringing is the most obvious consequence that hints toward problems in the recent past. Not much more has been revealed yet.
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2026 9:34 am |
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I know how lucky we are to even have an anime of this show. I never thought it would ever be picked up. Especially a show that had very limited official merchandise in the beginning.
With the cuts, I don't think they are going to do much with the faction stuff, unless it is part of the meat of the story for that episode. You can tell in this episode, that they shortened the discussions down. Myne said it herself in her narration.
It is fair to say that since the first season, the quality of the animation, has gone down a bit and the story has been cut. The official death of Myne and her burial was almost excised completely, except for the tombstone and a bit of narrative.
But I would rather have what we get, than nothing at all. Each new season, feels like we lucked out again. But we can wish for better. Probably won't happen though.
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A Non
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2026 2:47 pm |
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The reviewer severely underestimates the writing of this series. There is a reason for everything. We focus on Wilfried because we need to.
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Azure Chrysanthemum
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2026 3:57 pm |
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| Hiroki not Takuya wrote: | | Azure Chrysanthemum wrote: | | I've always found the "He who does not work does not eat" saying and expression Myne uses as her putting words and voice to a truism of the world...
I'm torn between "Urano has a lower probability of knowing this because she's Japanese which doesn't have a huge cultural penetration for Christianity" versus "Urano DEFINITELY read that because she absolutely read the Bible because she reads everything"... |
It's not that I think Myne would have read the Bible but I wanted to point out it's not original with her and where it came from. It is an example of how Christian teaching has spread through many societies that haven't wholesale adopted the beliefs or consider themselves "Christian". Japan has had a long exposure to Christianity starting in 1549, by 1637 at least 0.3% of the population professed affiliation rising to about 1% today. One million Christians are enough to make sayings and some core beliefs to become known.
While Ep9 here might seem like a "side story", there were a lot more character moments than we've had of late. I especially thought it was interesting that Ferdinand's eyes shown with rainbow hues like Myne's did when she was "out of control" which reinforces a thought that he is "unemotional" not from nature but by force of will to keep his very strong emotions in check. Some complain this episode that he should be more emotionally demonstrative given the context, but I'd point to this characteristic that his emotions are in his choice of words and phrasing. When he reminds Sylvester what was said to him by the Aub's mother and that he was younger than Wilfried at the time, he made a very emotion laden point without raising his voice... |
Trust me, 1% is absolutely not sufficient to expect someone to know what would be a single passage on a single page of a 1,200 page holy book. I actually attended parochial Catholic school up through High School and that passage didn't really get analyzed in any of the religion classes I took. It'd be like expecting an American to know a semi-obscure passage of the Quran, Muslims have similar cultural penetration in the States to Christians in Japan but I doubt most of us could name ANY passages from it. That's why I generally proposed option 2, I fully believe she's read the Bible assuming she didn't specifically say she had and I'd just forgotten - I've read all of the light novels including the new Hannelore series but I was reading this particular part during my cancer treatment so my detail memory is somewhat fuzzy.
And regarding Wilfried... I think the best way to express it without spoilers is if a character in this series has a name they're going to be important in some way, and if a character is in any way connected to Myne by some kind of familial bond they're likely going to be VERY important.
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Joe Mello
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2026 4:06 pm |
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| A Non wrote: | | The reviewer severely underestimates the writing of this series. There is a reason for everything. We focus on Wilfried because we need to. | If this is code for "there's a payoff in the novels," that's irrelevant to the anime. As an episodic review, you can't assume 1) there will be a payoff at all, or 2) the payoff will be satisfying. You can only judge the episode presented in front of you, which the reviewer still thought was pretty okay.
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blahmoomoo
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2026 8:30 pm |
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Oh right, and we aren't most of the way through the season. This is a two cours season. I'm sure (not certain) that Wilfried will factor in somewhere along the way.
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Gina Szanboti
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2026 2:21 am |
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| Azure Chrysanthemum wrote: | | I've always found the "He who does not work does not eat" saying and expression Myne uses as her putting words and voice to a truism of the world that was politely swept under the rug. |
I don't know why Myne would've had to have read the Bible to have articulated that idea. 2nd Thessalonians may have been the first written form of it, but I doubt it's the first time anyone felt that way. There is a Jewish proverb, "that if a man would not work, he should not eat," (no idea how old it is) but given that there's a similar admonition connecting work prior to the Sabbath and getting to eat or not during the Sabbath, I'd expect it to predate Jesus.
The 8th c. Chinese Buddhist master Baizhang taught his followers that "a day without work is a day without food" to encourage them to take up farming, which had previously been discouraged for monks. While it's possible he could've picked that up from early Christian missionaries, that seems far-fetched.
Socialists from the US to the Russian Revolution had a similar slogan (which yes, they likely adopted from the Bible). And it's all over anime and manga (e.g., iirc, Maomao mentioned it as a rule in the brothel she was reared in). So as avid a reader as Myne was in her former life, there are any number of places she could've encountered the idea. Or she could even have arrived at it on her own due to the demands of her new world environment, as others throughout our history have done.
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Panino Manino
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2026 11:36 am |
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| Joe Mello wrote: | | A Non wrote: | | The reviewer severely underestimates the writing of this series. There is a reason for everything. We focus on Wilfried because we need to. |
If this is code for "there's a payoff in the novels," that's irrelevant to the anime. As an episodic review, you can't assume 1) there will be a payoff at all, or 2) the payoff will be satisfying. You can only judge the episode presented in front of you, which the reviewer still thought was pretty okay. |
This isn't a matter of "payoff".
Most of the "payoff" in Honzuki is just the unfolding of the story. If the anime is cutting all the folding AND unfolding, what is left to enjoy?
Wilfred's Education is the Second Biggest issue in Ehrenfest in gravity, and the First in Long Term Consequences..
Is a Core Issue for this Duchy, is something that will always be present and affect their Destiny for decades.
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Eilavel
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2026 1:25 pm |
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Socialists used/use the exact slogan directly quite often because Lenin used it as a direct quotation. There's quite a lot of ways in a western context you could come to know it without having memorised it from bible reading; perhaps there are even more in Japan. There's no issue here as I see.
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