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Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion (TV) - dub.

Certainly seems a little crazy, however I don't think you are ever actually presented with it as blunt fact nor does it seem to sweep in as a sudden change to the entire dynamic of the show.

Moreover, later material maintains this consistancy when the viewer is presented with the fact that ~OYW era Earth is capable of producing at least one or even multiple ~32km long space colonies in the span of a year in 0083 (IIRC). Also it should be noted that the technological abilities of a civilization at least 200 years older than our own, rather than just a few years, could be somewhat hard to guage.

Zeta? Didn't see the series but didn't spot anything too WTF in the movie trilogy.

F91? Nope. It's pretty together. I would question the "bugs" but their part was rather short.

Wing? Yes, but I'd argue that Wing never really tried to take itself too seriously. Similarly, I would have a lot less problems with Geass if it was like R2 from the start, though I probably wouldn't have started watching it either.

Turn A? Aside from the "story" (Lets link everything!) and how the hell thousand year old Zeon equipment buried in mountains is still functional, no.

Internal consistancy is very important in all this. For example, despite all the newtype hackery tech used in UC Gundam, they still don't suddenly abandon the "in-universe physics" of needing fuel, not having ming boggling acceleration compared to everything else, sprout wings, and fly themselves to the moon.

In Geass terms (I guess); Wallruning Suzaku: Whatever. Suzaku spoiler[Solo Destroyer of Armies]: Wait, what?

If people speaking with their wallets was actually a good measure of quality we wouldn't have to suffer through/live with another <Insert>.

-Late 20th century aircraft such as jet planes and helicopters have already been adopted.

-Gawain, a 6th Generation KMF, is capable of slow but completely independent flight using the same float system.

Not to nitpick here, but:

---jet planes were retconned out of the Code Geass universe. They had to do it, otherwise the flight-capable Knightmare Frames would have all been slaughtered.

---the Gawain is seventh-generation. Not a single combat-capable sixth-generation Knightmare Frame (whew) was ever produced.

dtm42 wrote:

Not to nitpick here, but: ---jet planes were retconned out of the Code Geass universe. They had to do it, otherwise the flight-capable Knightmare Frames would have all been slaughtered.

Do you have a source for that or is that your interpretation? Granted, even during season one we only saw jet planes in still shots during flashbacks, but even then, the point was that modern aircraft, including helicopters which did keep showing up throughout both seasons, had been developed.

Then again, you run into the same problem with modern tanks. Realistically speaking, those would destroy Knightmare Frames in actual combat very easily.

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---the Gawain is seventh-generation. Not a single combat-capable sixth-generation Knightmare Frame (whew) was ever produced.

My source for that information is Code Geass R2 The Complete Guidebook, which has a chart showing Knightmare Frame evolution. I don't own the book myself but there are pictures from it online which can confirm this.

I believe Gawain was previously labeled as "experimental" and not assigned to any specific Generation, but that's the latest data from an official source. That would in fact be an actual retcon then.

It was Word from God, essentially one of the key production staff who said it. It covers the planes seen in the flashbacks, and even those seen in the first OP. Now, admittedly the fact that I do not know exactly which staff member it was does call into question how accurate my claim is. But I am fairly certain that it is true. After all, we never see a single instance of a jet-fighter in the present-day Code Geass universe, only helicopters and big shuttles. So though I haven't managed to find confirmation, I still believe the original person who told me. And yes, I do understand the pitfalls of believing people on the Internet.

As for the tanks, Knightmare Frames can take them out, at least in-universe. In reality those piddling little guns and harkens they use would barely scratch the camouflage paint-job on a Main Battle Tank, but no doubt we are supposed to ignore that fact.

Well, I'm not sure which generation the Gawain belongs to; not even MAHQ is sure, and it annoyingly omits the entire question (Mechatalk may be able to answer it, maybe). But it is official that the only sixth-generation Frames were just test beds, and could not move nor fight. So it is probably safe to say that either the Gawain belongs in a class of its own, or it should just be lumped into the seventh-generation class.

hey after all the reruns are over anyone no if they will show 2 new eps a week or just 1?

On to other matters, namely the first new episode in the last couple of months. Given everything that happened, I don't know if I should be concerned that the most enjoyable thing I watched was the spoiler[violent] second meeting between Suzaku and Kallen. (spoiler[Suzaku needed to have his clock cleaned, Kallen needed one to clean, so win-win for everybody.])

They've been making it up as they go for awhile. Actually, before new eps stopped and the thread went into hibernation, a bunch of us had proposed that was exactly the reason for the off-the-wall plot twists. How soon we forget...

The pizza, by the way, looks ridiculously extravagent. Does it have pigs-in-blankets for crust? 0_o;;;;;

BellosTheMighty wrote:

The pizza, by the way, looks ridiculously extravagent. Does it have pigs-in-blankets for crust? 0_o;;;;;

Thought I'd seen something like it before; wait, here we go.

The rest of the episode, how do I say this...? At this point, it seems the production staff is now making it up as they go along, trying to forcibly mesh the story together. Much more of this, and I'm going to attach the label of "really" to it's existing label of "over-the-top-soap-action-drama."

They've been making it up as they go for awhile. Actually, before new eps stopped and the thread went into hibernation, a bunch of us had proposed that was exactly the reason for the off-the-wall plot twists. How soon we forget...

The pizza, by the way, looks ridiculously extravagent. Does it have pigs-in-blankets for crust? 0_o;;;;;

The rest of the episode, how do I say this...? At this point, it seems the production staff is now making it up as they go along, trying to forcibly mesh the story together. Much more of this, and I'm going to attach the label of "really" to it's existing label of "over-the-top-soap-action-drama." I'm left wondering if some important plot points, such as the Sword of Akasha or the Thought Elevator, will ever be fully explained, but I'm not getting my hopes up on this. Then again, I came for the entertainment, not the artistic value. In that category, I can't complain.

You know, about that- who the hell put Kallen in that getup? It's nowhere near as silly as the B.S. the horny Chinese Eunuchs had her in, but the bodice looks like it's trying to introduce her tits to her chin. It can't be standard operating procedure for a P.O.W., so someone must have ordered it. But despite his recent walk on the dark side Suzaku is still too much the gentleman, and if you think Nunnally's going to sign off on it you're a lunatic.