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lufia2rocks
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| AiddonValentine wrote: | | This studio is supposed to be remaking One Piece. Have fun with that |
As long as it's good I don't care if something uses AI; especially if the alternative (Toei anime, LA adaption, whatever) ends up being objectively worse than it. I'm not one to cut my nose off to snub my face.
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GoGoGoFalco
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:02 pm |
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| AJ (LordNikon) wrote: | | AI is just a tool. People are using a lot of backlash about AI right now the very same way that 20 years ago people had backlash against social media, 30 years ago same backlash, digital photography versus film; the advent of consumer Internet. I remember 40-50 years ago people screaming. It’s the end of the world that personal computers will destroy everything and human society is doomed. |
I remember when Digimon came out and people refused to call it anime because it had CG in it because "real anime doesn't have CG". And as someone with a dislike of CG in anime myself I get it but willing to excuse it in anime if it's not too egregious and there's still 2D in it. I feel like AI will go the way of Paypal or online shopping in people will object for years until it becomes too common and widespread to effectively ignore. AI is already pretty spread in everything and it's at the point people have to make concessions because boycitting it is unrealistic when every shopping website has their own AI assistant now or companies are using it for development stages.
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EmeraldSaucer
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 8:14 pm |
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| GoGoGoFalco wrote: | | AJ (LordNikon) wrote: | | AI is just a tool. People are using a lot of backlash about AI right now the very same way that 20 years ago people had backlash against social media, 30 years ago same backlash, digital photography versus film; the advent of consumer Internet. I remember 40-50 years ago people screaming. It’s the end of the world that personal computers will destroy everything and human society is doomed. |
I remember when Digimon came out and people refused to call it anime because it had CG in it because "real anime doesn't have CG". And as someone with a dislike of CG in anime myself I get it but willing to excuse it in anime if it's not too egregious and there's still 2D in it. I feel like AI will go the way of Paypal or online shopping in people will object for years until it becomes too common and widespread to effectively ignore. AI is already pretty spread in everything and it's at the point people have to make concessions because boycitting it is unrealistic when every shopping website has their own AI assistant now or companies are using it for development stages. |
That's a complete false equivalence, all of your examples have clear value that AI simply does not have despite grifters' attempts to claim otherwise (while never actually being able to describe what AI brings to the table). At best genAI can spit out an approximation of something that already exists, which is not adding anything new - not even a time incentive, since time and time again we see the ways in which AI produces more work overall because of the time it takes to fix AI's mistakes. As can be seen by literally the exact example this article is about. And when your only recourse is "it's inevitable (except all the times companies back down from using it, I'm just gonna ignore that)", you don't really have a leg to stand on
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Cardcaptor Takato
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 9:10 pm |
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| GoGoGoFalco wrote: | |
I remember when Digimon came out and people refused to call it anime because it had CG in it because "real anime doesn't have CG". And as someone with a dislike of CG in anime myself I get it but willing to excuse it in anime if it's not too egregious and there's still 2D in it. I feel like AI will go the way of Paypal or online shopping in people will object for years until it becomes too common and widespread to effectively ignore. AI is already pretty spread in everything and it's at the point people have to make concessions because boycitting it is unrealistic when every shopping website has their own AI assistant now or companies are using it for development stages. |
As a long time Digimon fan who was there from the start, I can tell you nobody ever said any such thing about Digimon and you made that up. It's also ironic you're defending AI using PayPal when PayPal has been heavily involved in Internet censorship of NSFW games and manga.
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Sakura Shinguji
Joined: 09 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 9:31 pm |
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| GoGoGoFalco wrote: | | AJ (LordNikon) wrote: | | AI is just a tool. People are using a lot of backlash about AI right now the very same way that 20 years ago people had backlash against social media, 30 years ago same backlash, digital photography versus film; the advent of consumer Internet. I remember 40-50 years ago people screaming. It’s the end of the world that personal computers will destroy everything and human society is doomed. |
I remember when Digimon came out and people refused to call it anime because it had CG in it because "real anime doesn't have CG". And as someone with a dislike of CG in anime myself I get it but willing to excuse it in anime if it's not too egregious and there's still 2D in it. I feel like AI will go the way of Paypal or online shopping in people will object for years until it becomes too common and widespread to effectively ignore. AI is already pretty spread in everything and it's at the point people have to make concessions because boycitting it is unrealistic when every shopping website has their own AI assistant now or companies are using it for development stages. |
Some nice "she should just try to enjoy it then" energy there.
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Tanteikingdomkey
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 9:46 pm |
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| GoGoGoFalco wrote: | | AJ (LordNikon) wrote: | | AI is just a tool. People are using a lot of backlash about AI right now the very same way that 20 years ago people had backlash against social media, 30 years ago same backlash, digital photography versus film; the advent of consumer Internet. I remember 40-50 years ago people screaming. It’s the end of the world that personal computers will destroy everything and human society is doomed. |
I remember when Digimon came out and people refused to call it anime because it had CG in it because "real anime doesn't have CG". And as someone with a dislike of CG in anime myself I get it but willing to excuse it in anime if it's not too egregious and there's still 2D in it. I feel like AI will go the way of Paypal or online shopping in people will object for years until it becomes too common and widespread to effectively ignore. AI is already pretty spread in everything and it's at the point people have to make concessions because boycitting it is unrealistic when every shopping website has their own AI assistant now or companies are using it for development stages. |
Looks at number of post by user.
Hey I am just curious if you could tell me the usernames for the other accounts you have on here.
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AiddonValentine
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 10:06 pm |
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| Sakura Shinguji wrote: | |
Some nice "she should just try to enjoy it then" energy there. |
It's especially funny considering how AI companies are having to cancel investments and walk back plans. Really replicating the timeline when NFTs rapidly unraveled
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Ashen Phoenix
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 10:16 pm |
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This is so disappointing. As one Reddit user said, the series does look fantastic, so why do this?
It's not a mistake or an oversight. It's trying to replace real human talent, and that, I will never support. AI can be a tool to help artists, never to replace them.
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Mune
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 11:14 pm |
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| Ashen Phoenix wrote: | |
It's not a mistake or an oversight. It's trying to replace real human talent, and that, I will never support. AI can be a tool to help artists, never to replace them. |
I believe that this should be the case.
However, companies see the potential for more production, which could lead to more profits. Companies always want to make more money with less costs and manpower. It really comes down to people noticing the use of AI and not empowering companies that use it if they want to stop it.
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Ryujin99
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2026 11:16 pm |
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| AiddonValentine wrote: | | Sakura Shinguji wrote: | |
Some nice "she should just try to enjoy it then" energy there. |
It's especially funny considering how AI companies are having to cancel investments and walk back plans. Really replicating the timeline when NFTs rapidly unraveled |
FR tho.
Granted, as much as it pains me to say it, I can see generative AI having some practical use now and in the future (whereas NFTs really had none).
That being said, when taken at face value (not a good assumption I'll grant, but nonetheless...), sounds very much like a "somebody's getting fired for this" situation. If I were to give the studio some grace (not saying I do, but IF I WERE TO), then I could conceive a situation where someone could have used it without approval thinking (more or less) that they could "get away with it."
As far as personal opinions go... I'm not quite sure what to think, but I'm certainly not happy. I was hoping to enjoy my book nerd isekai in peace, given how close the themes strike to my own personal interests and the fact that we're up to season 4 now (HOLY SHIT, HOW?!). And yet thanks to this shit, now I have to seriously consider whether I'll watch it or not (...realistically I probably will, but the situation certainly leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I really do not appreciate that when trying to enjoy something that is so closely tailored to my personal interests, given how few series actually fall so close to my ideal "target zone" or whatever).
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Key
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Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley)
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 12:50 am |
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| Tanteikingdomkey wrote: | | Looks at number of post by user.
Hey I am just curious if you could tell me the usernames for the other accounts you have on here. |
Drop it. I know this poster and have seen him around in forums (under one name or another) for as long as he's claiming; he's one of the very few still-active people who's probably been around as long as (or maybe even longer than) me.
Beyond that, I did think the OP seemed off, and now I know why. Something like this isn't going to cause me to boycott the series, which I feel would be a gross overreaction, but I am glad it's being corrected. Now I'll be watching the OP for the upcoming episode 2 much more closely.
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GoGoGoFalco
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 4:17 am |
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| Cardcaptor Takato wrote: | | As a long time Digimon fan who was there from the start, I can tell you nobody ever said any such thing about Digimon and you made that up. It's also ironic you're defending AI using PayPal when PayPal has been heavily involved in Internet censorship of NSFW games and manga. |
I'm afraid not. That was something I remember reading on the old Megchan forums and AOL Digimon RP chatrooms and it's stuck with me for 25+ years because 1) I actually initially believed it as a child due to how much authority it was stated with and 2) looking back at it now it's really silly and just reminds me of how attitudes change over it and the way people act to new things.
Also there's nothing ironic about that since it's a completely unrelated thing. Regardless of what Paypal does or is involved in the comparison was because it was initially met with mistrust and suspicion. As someone who's been selling on eBay since the early 2000s I remember the stigma of sellers who only accepted it. Now it's commonplace and used everywhere showing how stigmas can vanish after decades.
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Clematis
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 5:08 am |
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well this explains the weird faces, especially mouf/tongue, and the manner of movement in the OP....also feeling weirded out by ferdinand's suddenly dropping his poker face and showing all kinds of emotion now.
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Philmister978
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| Greed1914 wrote: | | I saw some people giving at least some benefit of the doubt that it was from Nam Hai and WIT didn't catch it, but apparently it was WIT itself.
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I honestly would have bought it if it was Nam Hai; always thought they were one of the weaker studios, and that Kusanagi owns/uses them regularly is a sore point for the latter studio as well. The fact they didn't bring back the original art studio (Bihou, who Wit has worked with before), much less their usual partner Bamboo, was already a red flag far as I was concerned.
But to learn that Wit themselves were responsible, it just makes me wonder if it was less that those studios were booked and if it was more they didn't want to use them in the season out of cheapness, and Nam Hai wasn't the cheapest option they already had.
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Mami-kouga
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 7:10 am |
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| Clematis wrote: | | well this explains the weird faces, especially mouf/tongue, and the manner of movement in the OP....also feeling weirded out by ferdinand's suddenly dropping his poker face and showing all kinds of emotion now. |
The AI was backgrounds only, all the weird faces was just the animator tipping the style into uncanny valley
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