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here-and-faraway



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 4:08 pm Reply with quote
I read the article because the picture above the lead caught my eye. ("Wait! His hand is where?") and will now hang my head in shame...

I tried this series out and couldn't make it through 5 minutes. It seems like it may be worth a second try. (And not because of the picture.) Thanks for the review!
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 5:54 pm Reply with quote
Why is it that this show is held to higher standards regarding its heroine than are many other shows? Jeanne is miles above the "average" female lead.

I don't know what y'all were expecting from Jeanne as the show is about Nobunaga. If you're expecting Jeanne to take over an army, to rally a broken-spirited army to victory then you're barking up the wrong tree. By dropping Jeanne into Nobunaga's world I thought that the show made it abundantly clear that Jeanne wasn't going to be the Top Dog.

I'm not sure what y'all want: do you want Jeanne and Nobunaga to be constantly at loggerheads, to be constantly vying for control of their military forces? Do you want Nobunaga to join the "emasculated male protagonists club" and have Jeanne become the main character?

Is this show being evaluated per the "women have no value unless they act like men and men have no value unless they act like metrostexual, overemotional, hand-wringing wimps" rubric of modern-day feminism?
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 10:43 pm Reply with quote
I am consistently surprised at the decent reviews this show gets on this website.
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Zac
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 10:52 pm Reply with quote
Echo_City wrote:

Is this show being evaluated per the "women have no value unless they act like men and men have no value unless they act like metrostexual, overemotional, hand-wringing wimps" rubric of modern-day feminism?


Gosh, it doesn't sound like you have a political agenda in this argument at all!
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Echo_City



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 1:13 am Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
Echo_City wrote:

Is this show being evaluated per the "women have no value unless they act like men and men have no value unless they act like metrostexual, overemotional, hand-wringing wimps" rubric of modern-day feminism?


Gosh, it doesn't sound like you have a political agenda in this argument at all!

Glad to hear it, because I don't.

Shows where the female lead is a loser and the male lead are losers are a dime a dozen in anime. Those shows get a pass for it (I can only guess that we're all just used to 'em at this point). This show features a male lead who isn't the run-of-the-mill sadsack as well as a female character who is somewhat above the norm and it has been raked over the coals for it by ANN and the reason for this is unclear.

Is it because she is somewhat eclipsed by the male lead (whose name is in the title of the show)? Is it because she's being held to some sort of popular conception of Joan of Arc (even though the review says this should not be the case)?

I'm wondering as this current season has a slew of shows with "above the norm" male and female leads.
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Hellwarden



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 3:23 am Reply with quote
Hmm, I followed the series up to this point, before stopping around the 14th episode I think.

I wouldn't say I dropped it, because I might go back and watch it all at once, once it's done.

It's not so much that a single point of the show ruined it for me, it just felt too aimless. While nothing about it aggravates, nothing captivates either. The characters, the fights, the art and music, it's all consistently fine, and just fine.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 7:37 am Reply with quote
Echo_City wrote:
Why is it that this show is held to higher standards regarding its heroine than are many other shows? Jeanne is miles above the "average" female lead.

I don't know what y'all were expecting from Jeanne as the show is about Nobunaga. If you're expecting Jeanne to take over an army, to rally a broken-spirited army to victory then you're barking up the wrong tree. By dropping Jeanne into Nobunaga's world I thought that the show made it abundantly clear that Jeanne wasn't going to be the Top Dog.

I'm not sure what y'all want: do you want Jeanne and Nobunaga to be constantly at loggerheads, to be constantly vying for control of their military forces? Do you want Nobunaga to join the "emasculated male protagonists club" and have Jeanne become the main character?

Is this show being evaluated per the "women have no value unless they act like men and men have no value unless they act like metrostexual, overemotional, hand-wringing wimps" rubric of modern-day feminism?


When you have two great historical figures working together like this I don't see how one would NOT expect for Jeanne to make a larger impact than she has. But the fact that she was useless through many parts of the show until she got her mech and was pretty much just being used for occasional fanservice just seems like an insult to such a great/inspirational woman.

No one expected her to be top dog........just look at the title of the show. But she certainly deserves better than she's getting and sadly she only gets worse as the series goes on. Don't know what your last comment is supposed to mean. Are you insinuating that women being strong and mentally driven is unacceptable because it makes them seem to much like men? Seems like a rather skewed mindset to have if you ask me.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 2:16 pm Reply with quote
Echo_City wrote:
Why is it that this show is held to higher standards regarding its heroine than are many other shows? Jeanne is miles above the "average" female lead.

Really now? Please elaborate on what exactly she has done in the past 13 episodes. I'll wait.
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Echo_City



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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 1:47 am Reply with quote
leatherhead333 wrote:

When you have two great historical figures working together like this I don't see how one would NOT expect for Jeanne to make a larger impact than she has.

Joan of Arc received divine inspiration and appeared out of "nowhere" to rally the demoralized French in the defense of their homeland from the English. She's known as a defender, not a conqueror of vast tracts of land who built an empire. The titular character of the show is the latter and the show is focused, at least for now, on the act of conquest. If Jeanne had taken the reins as a conqueror then that would have been out of character if we treat her as Joan of Arc, no?

Jeanne received what more or less counts as divine inspiration. She did appear at a pivotal time for Nobunaga and has incontrovertibly saved his bacon at least once. Could she have taken on a rather "Lady Macbeth" role? Maybe, but questions of "in character" aside that position seems to be locked down by Nobunaga's right hand man. Jeanne almost serves as a sort of "foil" to him...

I contend that she could not have taken on a more "overt" role initially, had it been necessary, as (other reasons aside) almost all of the people in Nobunaga's world viewed Jeanne as being some foreign effeminate man who suddenly appeared out of the blue and began doting on Nobunaga. How much "clout" does some outsider seen as the king's gay lover have? Going by Braveheart, the answer is "not very much" Rolling Eyes
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