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Daimonwrath



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:50 pm Reply with quote
http://www.lizzard.net/Escaflowne/faq.html#moon
13. Why does Gaia's regular moon have an eye symbol on its surface? And exactly what is the Mystic Moon?

Director Kazuki Akane had this to say about the moon: "The regular moon is only in the theatrical version, as you know. Gaia represents the earth itself in a far future, and the moon in the sky may be our moon with the eye shape comprised of remnants of bases from a past long ago. What we see as the Mystic Moon may be a past earth whose image is projected in the sky — without really being there anymore."

Escaflowne is one of my favoritie animes. I noticed at the end of the the escaflowne movie when hitomi returns the mystic moon disappears.

As you can see I have been doing some research on the mystic moon, which made me back peddle a bit.

Gaia represents the earth itself in the far future then everything I originally believed was false. I was thinking of Escaflowne as a whole other planet for the longest, kinda like El Hazard.

This added to the whole fascination of different civilizations and culture for me. But to think that it is just an abstract "Planet of the Apes" story is a bit dulling to my senses.

Im a scifi nut, and I do enjoy the original planet of the apes. However time travel has been done waay to much.But oh well.

On the flip side though, I would say that hitomi having used Escaflowne as time travel device was kinda sensational.

My question is:
In the tv series, did emperor Dornkirk have anything to do with bringing Hitomi across with his Fate redirector machine?
Since he was working with Folken thats what I was thinking anyways.

http://www.escaflowneonline.com/character/dornkirk.shtml

In the movie Folken brings Hitomi across, I understand that part of it....

P.S. If my facts are messed up somewhere let me know.

D.W.
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littlegreenwolf



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 1:10 am Reply with quote
Wow, that whole time travel thing is neat. I've been thinking it was a completely different world to because of the explination of Gaia they always gave and stuff. Weird, but neat.

I have no idea about the Dornkirk stuff though.

... if it's in the far future, does that mean Atlantis was built again?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 8:31 pm Reply with quote
Daimonwrath wrote:
Director Kazuki Akane had this to say about the moon: "The regular moon is only in the theatrical version, as you know. Gaia represents the earth itself in a far future, and the moon in the sky may be our moon with the eye shape comprised of remnants of bases from a past long ago. What we see as the Mystic Moon may be a past earth whose image is projected in the sky — without really being there anymore."


doesn't that contradict what is said inj the series about the Atlanteans creating Gaia? Dang it, now I have to go watch this one again Smile .
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Chaos Lord



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:16 pm Reply with quote
Yeah that's what I got from the show. The Atlanteans used their powers to create Gaia from nothing.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:23 pm Reply with quote
OK, I've given it some thought, it might make sense. Remember how they called the Mystic Moon cursed. Maybe the reason that they called it cursed was because it was the projection of the ancient Earth that was doomed. When Atlantis was destroyed, the Atlanteans knew that it was only a matter of time until mankind would destroy itself. Therefore, they recreated the world at some time in the distant furure. The world that Hitomi lived in was the world at some time before it was destoyed, therefore it was cursed.
Maybe it's just late and I'm not making any sense, but maybe I am on to something. Either way, thanks Daimonwrath for bringing up this subject, you've helped me to see Escaflowne in a new way.
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ÄlveKatt



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:41 am Reply with quote
I have heard that the storylines of the movie and the series don't really have any connection. It's just the same concept and story in two different versions.

I thought the movie had this looming message "Don't kill yourself, see a world fantasy and through it realize that reality isn't empty."
The movie is a lot more abstract than the series.

While i don't think the series was meant to be percieved as just a dream that the main charachter had i am pretty sure the movie was. It is a lot about handling your emotions. Like a journey of psychological recovery through imagination. I have a feeling that the the director wanted the movie to also help the viewers in such a fashion.
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Daimonwrath



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:56 pm Reply with quote
ÄlveKatt wrote:
I have heard that the storylines of the movie and the series don't really have any connection. It's just the same concept and story in two different versions.

I thought the movie had this looming message "Don't kill yourself, see a world fantasy and through it realize that reality isn't empty."
The movie is a lot more abstract than the series.

While i don't think the series was meant to be percieved as just a dream that the main charachter had i am pretty sure the movie was. It is a lot about handling your emotions. Like a journey of psychological recovery through imagination. I have a feeling that the the director wanted the movie to also help the viewers in such a fashion.


Its true that the movie subplots and the TV series have little to do with each other, and while the movie had to be scripted in format for the big screen. You are very right on that.

However, "the message" has nothing to do with the similar elements for the series and the questions I have asked.

Unfortunately no one can come up with a straight answer but thats cool at least people learned something about one my favorite animes.

Rolling Eyes

D.W.
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ÄlveKatt



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:21 am Reply with quote
Ah. The explanation is rather heavy on spoilers though. I suggest you don't read this and go watch the series instead. It is worth it.

spoiler[In the series Hitomis necklace is the tool the Atlantians used for creating stuff with thought. (Or by wish.) It is what brought her there. That she can predict the future is another important part.]

And Emperor Dornkirk doesn't like that she is there and can do that at all, because...

spoiler[...emperor Dornkirk has his own prediction machine. He is trying to upgrade his prediction machine to a "creation by wishing" machine just like the Atlantians had. Hitomis abilty to see the future effectivly renders Dornkirks prediction machine useless when Hitomi is near Escaflowne, as her ability to predict the future effectively makes the future uncertain from Dornkirks point of view when she uses this ability to help Van in Escaflowne.]
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Daimonwrath



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:41 pm Reply with quote
ÄlveKatt wrote:
Ah. The explanation is rather heavy on spoilers though. I suggest you don't read this and go watch the series instead. It is worth it.

spoiler[In the series Hitomis necklace is the tool the Atlantians used for creating stuff with thought. (Or by wish.) It is what brought her there. That she can predict the future is another important part.]

And Emperor Dornkirk doesn't like that she is there and can do that at all, because...

spoiler[...emperor Dornkirk has his own prediction machine. He is trying to upgrade his prediction machine to a "creation by wishing" machine just like the Atlantians had. Hitomis abilty to see the future effectivly renders Dornkirks prediction machine useless when Hitomi is near Escaflowne, as her ability to predict the future effectively makes the future uncertain from Dornkirks point of view when she uses this ability to help Van in Escaflowne.]



There we go! Dornkirk question answered. I had forgotten about that in the TV series. He is subtracted from the equation altogether then. Thanks alot.

D.W.
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