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britannicamoore



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:54 pm Reply with quote
Defiantly something I want to see. it seemed so sad, with all the hosts being so depressed. 10 bottles of champagne? Jesus I can barely get through four or five.

Thanks for the break from anime, this was a pleasant change.

Also one error I think:
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"We have to keep them happy, so when we have to lie, we lie. If I were honest, may girls would hate me."
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:02 am Reply with quote
Fixed the typo. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:08 am Reply with quote
i've always been curious about this profession. gonna check this out when i get a chance.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:25 am Reply with quote
v1cious wrote:
i've always been curious about this profession. gonna check this out when i get a chance.


That makes two of us.

Makes me think back to this article I read in Otaku USA that covered host clubs. I heard some hosts have even written books about the profession.

Ten bottles of booze a night? Holy fecking asscrackers! But then again, they're making a shitload of dough for it...makes me think about opening a host club here in the States!
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britannicamoore



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:35 am Reply with quote
AirCooledMan_2006 wrote:


...makes me think about opening a host club here in the States!


I think the clientele here would be more of the cheated on housewife or the housewife who wants a fling. I have to wonder why there aren't women versions of this. What are they called? Prostitutes? Whores? Hostess? Idols?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:38 am Reply with quote
I always found the idea of a host club completely repulsive (insincerity and self-serving people are HUGE pet peeves of mine, and it incorporates both of them) but I love Ouran. It really took the whole idea and made it make fun of itself. Without Haruhi and Tamaki's characters, it wouldn't have worked, but they make it a great comedy. (It's like TMoHS in that way.)

But that's off-topic. Seems like this documentary confirms my fears of what the real thing would be like. So tragic. I wonder what kind of impetus drives a man to want to be a host in the first place? I can understand feeling trapped in the profession for a while, but I wonder if the drive isn't some insane wish to please women because men find them such a miracle and want to make them happy? I mean...that's no way to do it. It only drags those poor women further into delusion, seclusion, any other life-ruining "usion" you can think of, and it's certainly worse for the men.

I'd love to see this, but I don't have Netflix. Poo. Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:38 am Reply with quote
So let me see. A max of $50,000 a week (I'll assume that's US currency), times by 52 weeks, and we get a upper ceiling of $2,600,000 a year. Crazy.

Even if they only get half the maximum weekly amount, and only last four weeks, that's still an easy $100,000.

Though they would probably need that much just to pay the inevitable medical bills from destroying their livers.

I wonder, was there any mention of drug taking among the hosts (as a coping mechanism)?

A very good and gripping review, Justin. I definitely am inspired to look into this title.
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fuuma_monou



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:55 am Reply with quote
britannicamoore wrote:
I have to wonder why there aren't women versions of this. What are they called? Prostitutes? Whores? Hostess? Idols?


IIRC, hostess clubs have been around longer than host clubs. The aforementioned Otaku USA article says that women in this line of work are more likely to be suspected of engaging prostitution than the men.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:06 am Reply with quote
britannicamoore wrote:
I have to wonder why there aren't women versions of this. What are they called? Prostitutes? Whores? Hostess? Idols?


There have been hostesses for decades, perhaps centuries. They're basically a lower class version of a geisha, who do basically the same thing the hosts do, except with businessmen. They don't have a good reputation (as many of them use the opportunity to gold-dig), but then again, most Japanese don't think of hosts in a positive light either.

The male side of things is a pretty recent phenomenon.

To see what the female side of things used to be like back in the 60s, I highly recommend the classic Ozu film, "When A Woman Ascends the Stairs."
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v1cious



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:12 am Reply with quote
AirCooledMan_2006 wrote:
makes me think about opening a host club here in the States!


host clubs would never work in the US. too much potential to be beaten up or murdered.
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Loveless100



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:35 am Reply with quote
I remember seeing this documentary about a year ago while watching Ouran. It nearly made me cry because it painful to watch these people try to find comfort in false love.

Seriously, if people can find it and watch it, please do. It opened my eyes to what seemed like a bright and beautiful job.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:37 am Reply with quote
I rented this movie a couple months ago. It was really interesting, the only thing that bothered me was the thing itself, it was really really long, though most of it at least kept your attention. I do like that they gave the clients as much interview time as the guys themselves. I almost felt bad for the girl that the main guy said he hated.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:40 am Reply with quote
Wow, something I've actually seen!

I really liked this documentary. It managed to be sympathetic to both the hosts and their clients. At first I thought Issei was kind of conceited, but you come to realize that despite his bragging, he's actually extremely lonely. It seems it has become hard, if not impossible, for him to separate his host-persona act from his actual personality, thereby rendering any real, meaningful relationship impossible-- when "being in love" is your job, then how do you really fall in love? And the women are similarly... well, kind of sad. As in, hearing about their situations made me depressed. One scene that really got to me was when they were doing a champagne call for woman, and she really looked like she was on the verge of tears (not happy ones either) while all the hosts swarmed around her, chanting. Many if not most of their clientele work in the sex industry themselves and go to these boys for non-judgemental comfort and distraction. It's a very strange (but perhaps not unexpected) industry that has sent itself up: Young women serving salaryman-types through hostess clubs (and other sex industry positions), and then young men in host clubs serving the hostesses in turn.

dtm42 wrote:
I wonder, was there any mention of drug taking among the hosts (as a coping mechanism)?
As I remember, no. I mean, the boys are getting pretty intoxicated every night. If a client buys a bottle of champagne, they basically are obligated to drink it. I remember one scene where one of the boys collapses, he's so wasted, and they pack him into a cab and the rest of them bicycle home. I can't imagine drinking that much in one night (and maintaining a charming facade the whole time) and then turning around and doing it again the next night; but for them, it's all in a night's work...
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Ligene



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:49 am Reply with quote
A fresh review, very nice. Always been a sucker for depressing documentaries; have to make sure to find this one day.
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GATSU



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:50 am Reply with quote
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("I was having sex with 365 girls a year," he boasts.)


Doing one a day ain't that impressive, bub. Rolling Eyes

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"I've seen guys throw up blood," he says. "My liver's probably shot."


That's what you call manly vomit. You ain't anything without it. [Just bs'ing there. Laughing ]

BTW, if you want more host-related fun, check out Yakuza, B.O.D.Y., and Nerima Daikon Bros.
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