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NEWS: Japanese Groups: Blu-ray to Overtake DVD in 2013


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Ryu Shoji



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:59 pm Reply with quote
It is an interesting thought. I'm not very knowledgeable on how the format is faring in Japan, but I can definitely say that won't be the case in the United Kingdom. While a lot seems to be released on blu-ray, everywhere I go has pretty pathetically small sections unless they're a specialist retailer (and even then, they just have a core blu-ray section that's dwarfed by almost every other section).
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maxxjulie



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:20 pm Reply with quote
guess i'm just like the japanese because i still mainly buy dvd. often i find good movies on sale for $5-$7.50. how many movies really are enhanced by watching em in hd? not many. every time i see a comedy on bluray i think "what's the point?"
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AilisKnil



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:34 pm Reply with quote
The sooner BD becomes the standard, the sooner it gets cheaper for consumers. I can't believe people are still clinging to DVD. It's holding everyone back.
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FrameFreeze100



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:45 pm Reply with quote
AilisKnil wrote:
The sooner BD becomes the standard, the sooner it gets cheaper for consumers. I can't believe people are still clinging to DVD. It's holding everyone back.


Why is it hard to believe?

VHS to DVD was a worthwhile upgrade, for many DVD to Blu-ray is not.

If Blu-ray ever does overtake DVD in the major markets, something better will be probably around by then that's actually worth upgrading for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_DVD
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:13 pm Reply with quote
FrameFreeze100 wrote:
If Blu-ray ever does overtake DVD in the major markets, something better will be probably around by then that's actually worth upgrading for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_DVD
Assuming that makes it to market, it'll almost certainly have its fate tied to that of UHDTV - which is to say, it'll take even longer to reach general consumer acceptance, if it ever does.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:03 pm Reply with quote
maxxjulie wrote:
every time i see a comedy on bluray i think "what's the point?"


TBT said comedy would be just as funny if watched it in VHS (even if recorded in black & white, ever drrn "The Munsters"?), heck, most comedies or soap operas work just as well if you record them into audio cassettes, so how come nowadays is almost unheard to see people using VHS or audio cassette?

FrameFreeze100 wrote:
VHS to DVD was a worthwhile upgrade, for many DVD to Blu-ray is not.


You are on denial. The image quality of high definition is quite superior to NTSC or PAL, anything done on film (even if originally broadcast on standard definition) will look better, unless the show was done cheaply, like those old hanna barbera cartoons. Most likely you are the kind of person that has invested quite a bit of time and money gathering movies and tries to rationalize their dread that most of those discs will be garbage (like VHS are nowadays) in five years (or less) and wants to convince themselves and other people that blu-ray isn't worthwhile because "something else" will come and you better wait for that (only to repeat the same argument if said format ever materializes).
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:15 pm Reply with quote
Generally, Japan has been known to adopt newer technology faster than other countries (who may take more years or may not even fully adopt it), like LaserDisc and DiscMan. (That also means Japanese households tend to throw away perfectly good-working appliances on the curb just because something better came out.) Other countries may also opt to skip a generation of tech, resolving that going thru each iteration of a technology not worth it, like going straight from VHS to DVDs or CDs to MP3s.
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TitanXL



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:38 pm Reply with quote
maxxjulie wrote:
every time i see a comedy on bluray i think "what's the point?"


For fanservice comedies, you want those HD boobies.

Also scenes like this. Comedy anime is still well designed with great art and animation that should be appreciated.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:41 pm Reply with quote
maxxjulie wrote:
guess i'm just like the japanese because i still mainly buy dvd. often i find good movies on sale for $5-$7.50. how many movies really are enhanced by watching em in hd? not many. every time i see a comedy on bluray i think "what's the point?"

In Japan for anime Blu-ray has already overtaken DVD about two years ago. This news is about the entire market there.

And practically everything is enhanced by hidef. It makes no sense now that most people have HDTVs to be watching upscaled DVDs on it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:43 pm Reply with quote
TitanXL wrote:
maxxjulie wrote:
every time i see a comedy on bluray i think "what's the point?"


For fanservice comedies, you want those HD boobies.

Also scenes like this. Comedy anime is still well designed with great art and animation that should be appreciated.


I watched it 3 times; 360, 480, and 720...all equally funny.
So I am going with "what's the point?".

@mangamuscle

Sounds like someone is scared of getting Laserdisc'd and Betamax'd.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:44 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:
maxxjulie wrote:
every time i see a comedy on bluray i think "what's the point?"


... so how come nowadays is almost unheard to see people using VHS or audio cassette?


DVDs are much more compact, thus easier to store than videocassettes, individual episodes or points within episodes can be accessed more easily and precisely than on videocassette, they can be used with dedicated players or computers and they can conveniently support special features such as commentaries and featurettes. Shortly, DVDs are more convenient and versatile than videocassettes. Quality is not the sole, perhaps not even the primary concern.

mangamuscle wrote:
FrameFreeze100 wrote:
VHS to DVD was a worthwhile upgrade, for many DVD to Blu-ray is not.


You are in denial.


And you are being an ass. You're assuming that your values are universal or that they should be. People who act so condescending and snotty about this almost make me want to refuse to ever adopt Blu-ray out of sheer spite.

mangamuscle wrote:
The image quality of high definition is quite superior to NTSC or PAL, anything done on film (even if originally broadcast on standard definition) will look better, unless the show was done cheaply, like those old hanna barbera cartoons.


This is doubtless true, but so what? For me, image quality suffers from declining marginal benefit. I don't notice or value the gain of say, 720 or 1,080 as much as that of 480 over 240. Some of my friends have high definition televisions that I've watched and I've seen it demonstrated. I have noticed a difference in video quality, but I've never felt as though it was impressive enough for me to want to adopt it. DVDs are cheap, I already have the equipment I need to enjoy it and the effect of making lower resolutions intolerable that I've heard some ascribe to exposure to high-definition video seems like voluntarily inflicting a disability upon myself.

mangamuscle wrote:
Most likely you are the kind of person that has invested quite a bit of time and money gathering movies and tries to rationalize their dread that most of those discs will be garbage (like VHS are nowadays) in five years (or less) and wants to convince themselves and other people that blu-ray isn't worthwhile because "something else" will come and you better wait for that (only to repeat the same argument if said format ever materializes).


This is just obnoxious. do you really think that it's acceptable to behave so crassly over something so ultimately trivial as video formats. or anything, really? This whole line of thinking can be easily reversed. *achem* Most likely, you are the kind of person who has rushed to adopt a new technology and is trying to rationalize the dread that you choice will never be vindicated by mass adoption, so you insufferably belittle and sneer at those who resist the format.


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RyanSaotome



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:56 pm Reply with quote
Glad to hear. It seems pointless to me to watch DVDs if you have a HDTV... like why even buy a HDTV in the first place if you aren't gonna be watching stuff in HD?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:15 pm Reply with quote
Upscale 1080p DVD players offer to my (admittedly quite poor vision) eyes close to the same thing that I've seen watching BluRays. Only with cinema quality animation is ever really an apparent upgrade.

Most studios don't draw stuff at 1280x720, let alone 1920x1080. Brotherhood (and most Bones) stuff is drawn at 540p. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that were commonplace.

So while someone might be able to look at still frame and spot all sorts of banding/artifact/whatever issues, when I look at something that is playing I can barely tell the difference, if at all. So I tend to get DVDs unless I know it's some quality work.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:33 pm Reply with quote
I used to be in the "meh, BD, what's the biggie?" camp. But now I have my own HDTV and BD player and I am a convert. Watching the Soul Eater BDs on my set up was a truly sublime experience. I have a couple of DVD/BD combo sets, so I'll do an experiment to see if I can notice that much of a difference between the two at some point.
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TitanXL



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:34 pm Reply with quote
ArsenicSteel wrote:
I watched it 3 times; 360, 480, and 720...all equally funny.
So I am going with "what's the point?".


I was speaking in terms of appreciating the art/animation in great quality.

Maybe it's only for graphics snobs like me then.
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