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INTEREST: Variety Report: Chainsaw Man, Bleach Among 2022's Most Pirated Series in the U.S.


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Glordit



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:12 pm Reply with quote
Bleach is obviously there because people didn't want to get D+ just for one show and some countries still don't have access to it.
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Wyvern



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:40 pm Reply with quote
Pop quiz, how do you think Chainsaw Man feels about video piracy? Keeping in mind that this poor kid probably never watched a TV show in his life before he got his job with the government:

1) He has no idea what it is and if you explained it to him he still wouldn't get it

2) He knows what it is but doesn't do it for moral reasons

3) He knows what it is but doesn't do it because his apartment has a Netflix account and using that is just easier.

4) It's literally the only way he consumes media but he had no idea it was illegal. He just thought torrents were how TV shows worked.

5) He has to pirate things because Power refuses to watch any show that ISN'T pirated even if it's easier to watch the show legally.
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Kiwi93



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:41 pm Reply with quote
Glordit wrote:
Bleach is obviously there because people didn't want to get D+ just for one show and some countries still don't have access to it.


Yea I still think is messed up how Disney and Viz lied about it being a “worldwide simulcast”. I’ve said this a few times already but I am curious to see how long term Disney tried to stay in the anime market given that in their recent earnings call their C.E.O stated he wants to focus on Disneys main brand IPs for their streaming service moving forward and will be looking at their spending when it comes to “general entertainment” offerings.
Also gotta say I’m surprised to see eminence of shadow on the list. Im a big fan of the series but I had no idea it was this popular.
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BadNewsBlues



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:47 pm Reply with quote
Glordit wrote:
Bleach is obviously there because people didn't want to get D+ just for one show and some countries still don't have access to it.


Yeah I’m pretty sure this would have been pirated even if it was on a streaming service the people pirating would’ve had access to a plethora of stuff they liked in addition to bleach or was available in their country.

Free stuff is hard to not partake in.
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FilthyCasual



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:48 pm Reply with quote
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When it comes to lost revenue on streaming services, Variety reported that Netflix loses US$9.1 billion a year to password sharing. A report from Synamedia also found that 65% of individuals that share their passwords also visit pirating sites weekly.
Hey look, bullshit. Next they'll claim that passing around a newspaper or letting people read your old magazines is BAD and MUST BE STOPPED to make way for noble capitalism too.

I'm amazed that Eminence is up there with Chainsaw Man, Bleach, and Spy x Family. That's some incredible popularity.
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Vanadise



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:05 pm Reply with quote
Wyvern wrote:
Pop quiz, how do you think Chainsaw Man feels about video piracy?

Well, canonically, in chapter 118, spoiler[Denji suggests that he and Asa spend 2,000 yen to go watch mummy movies at a theater that is hosting an all-night movie marathon. Such all-night marathons are typically of old releases, which means that Denji definitely could pirate them if he had the ability to and is so inclined, but he still sees value in supporting artist and local venues.

But a potential twist here is that Asa suggests they could just rent videos for less, and they also talk about whether she or Denji have VCRs; this suggests that within Chainsaw Man continuity, digital distribution of movies is either rare or doesn't exist at all. Of course, it's still possible to make copies of video tapes, but analog copies degrade in quality quickly and you still have to pay for the physical tape, so if you just intend to watch something once, you're not saving much by pirating rather than renting.]
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WANNFH



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:16 pm Reply with quote
Vanadise wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Pop quiz, how do you think Chainsaw Man feels about video piracy?

Well, canonically, in chapter 118, spoiler[Denji suggests that he and Asa spend 2,000 yen to go watch mummy movies at a theater that is hosting an all-night movie marathon. Such all-night marathons are typically of old releases, which means that Denji definitely could pirate them if he had the ability to and is so inclined, but he still sees value in supporting artist and local venues.

But a potential twist here is that Asa suggests they could just rent videos for less, and they also talk about whether she or Denji have VCRs; this suggests that within Chainsaw Man continuity, digital distribution of movies is either rare or doesn't exist at all.]
spoiler[Well, for an easy answer for that - CSM events are set up in 1997 (with Part 2 presumably happening in 1998), discounting an alternative timeline - so the digital distribution of videos literally does not even suppose to exist (it's literally the early days of Flash and DVD format, and it's way before the streaming services even take off)]
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Richmyster84



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:27 pm Reply with quote
movie/tv production companies did this to themselves. Before every company under the rainbow had their own streaming service you had everyone playing nice (for the most part) on Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon. Then each production company got greedy and wanted to keep their content on their own streaming service so they can keep all perceived profit for themselves. The problem? Each production company doesn't have enough COMPELLING content that's worth subscribing to for however many months at a time the show you want to watch is dropping new episodes. Streaming was all about cord cutting so you could get a la carte programming but production companies have essentially made their streaming services de facto cable channels so it's not surprising that people have gone back to pirating. Now anime streaming services has its own issues. For me, I refuse to pay for a product from a company that continues to change the context of translations from the source material to fit some political or cultural narrative. Until the dubbing companies acknowledge that it has indeed become a problem, promise to adhere to better translation standards, and hold those accountable for their continued abuse of their positions in translating i.e. stop hiring them, I won't be spending a dime of my money with them. I liked having a Funimation account back then because I didn't have to keep track of what episode I'm on with multiple series. All my progress in a respective series was there for me to see and new episodes were waiting in my queue.
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residentgrigo



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:08 pm Reply with quote
The Eminence in Shadow? WTF? The rest make sense. Also weird is that Euphoria didn´t make it. It is known to be heavily pirated and zoomers pirate on default.

Denji himself is a thief and doesn´t even value human life so I think that he would be impressed. About the proposed visit to the discount cinema. No one ever got laid by stealing tapes (or whatever) and watching them on a dingy TV with a girl. What sort of date would that be? But then we all learned better. Didn´t we?
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jdnation



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:11 pm Reply with quote
Eminence in Shadow is highly underrated brah. Best isekai about a dude who wants to be Batman.

Anyway, when will Chainsaw-man blu rays release? I'll buy those, and given that CSM will easily make money on manga sales and merch, piracy might actually be a net positive overall when the dust and blood settle.
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WANNFH



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:19 pm Reply with quote
residentgrigo wrote:
The Eminence in Shadow? WTF? The rest make sense.
Yeah, I never actually even figured that TEiS is that popular among the U.S. auditory. Like, yeah, I know it's got recognition among the anime watchers, but beating SXF? Where exactly this firm got that data?
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TheSleepyMonkey



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:45 pm Reply with quote
I'm more surprised at the fact Shield Hero sneaked into the top 10, considering how S2 turned out.
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Bubin



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:11 pm Reply with quote
I was always under impression that people pirate because they don't want to pay.
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CrypticPurpose



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 12:15 am Reply with quote
Bubin wrote:
I was always under impression that people pirate because they don't want to pay.

Some just do it for convenience. I pay for every streaming service under the sun, but never actually use any of them, because I prefer to watch stuff through a single interface via my media server. They shouldn't have to lose out on revenue because of my preferences, though, so they get the best of all worlds: a paying customer that doesn't use their bandwidth or stresses their servers.
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BadNewsBlues



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 1:40 am Reply with quote
Richmyster84 wrote:
Streaming was all about cord cutting so you could get a la carte programming


It was?

Maybe it’s me but I never really thought streaming services were meant to give viewers unbridled access to literally every movie & TV show imaginable especially when such a thing would make these services superfluous and redundant.

As far as I been led towards believe the primary reason for streaming being better than cable was cost.


Richmyster84 wrote:
For me, I refuse to pay for a product from a company that continues to change the context of translations from the source material to fit some political or cultural narrative. Until the dubbing companies acknowledge that it has indeed become a problem,


This cuts both ways if these scripts didn’t have such occasionally problematic dialog you would never need to change things that might be tolerated in one culture but considered insensitive in another.


Richmyster84 wrote:
promise to adhere to better translation standards,


Dude most modern English translations are not without their flaws but by and large they’re significantly better than the stuff fans of the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and early 00’s got where stuff was translated so differently it effectively created it’s own continuity of whatever property was being translated.


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